The City on Fire

Quote: terapined

Of course not
ROTFL
You really don't get it do you?
A whole worldwide movement gets it
Even children get it
AOS does not get it. I'm amazed. You really a lawyer?

AOS totally gets it. Over the course of the last DECADE you can point to a dozen or so Black men killed by police that you could argue were overreaches in police using deadly force. In the USA. Over the past WEEKEND you can point to more Black men killed, not by police, in a single American city. What SHOULD be of more concern to an organization that is title Black Lives Matter?

Of course the men killed by inappropriate use of police force, like George Floyd, deserve justice. His killer needs to be punished. And it is wholly appropriate to protest a system where others standing by did nothing about it.

I'll let Paco find actual facts, but probably the likelihood to be killed by Black on Black violence is 10,000 times greater than police on Black violence? So in practical terms, what is a better use of your efforts and energies, cleaning up the gangs, putting away the killers, or waiting for the yearly single Black guy killed inappropriately by a cop so you can have massive protests?

Quote: SOOPOO

AOS totally gets it. Over the course of the last DECADE you can point to a dozen or so Black men killed by police that you could argue were overreaches in police using deadly force. In the USA. Over the past WEEKEND you can point to more Black men killed, not by police, in a single American city. What SHOULD be of more concern to an organization that is title Black Lives Matter?

Of course the men killed by inappropriate use of police force, like George Floyd, deserve justice. His killer needs to be punished. And it is wholly appropriate to protest a system where others standing by did nothing about it.

I'll let Paco find actual facts, but probably the likelihood to be killed by Black on Black violence is 10,000 times greater than police on Black violence? So in practical terms, what is a better use of your efforts and energies, cleaning up the gangs, putting away the killers, or waiting for the yearly single Black guy killed inappropriately by a cop so you can have massive protests?

Exactly

Black Lives Matter*





















*When it is politically expedient

Quote: SOOPOO

AOS totally gets it. Over the course of the last DECADE you can point to a dozen or so Black men killed by police that you could argue were overreaches in police using deadly force. In the USA. Over the past WEEKEND you can point to more Black men killed, not by police, in a single American city. What SHOULD be of more concern to an organization that is title Black Lives Matter?

Of course the men killed by inappropriate use of police force, like George Floyd, deserve justice. His killer needs to be punished. And it is wholly appropriate to protest a system where others standing by did nothing about it.

I'll let Paco find actual facts, but probably the likelihood to be killed by Black on Black violence is 10,000 times greater than police on Black violence? So in practical terms, what is a better use of your efforts and energies, cleaning up the gangs, putting away the killers, or waiting for the yearly single Black guy killed inappropriately by a cop so you can have massive protests?

Black on Black violence
and
Black on White violence

are infinitely more of an issue than cop on black violence (in fact its pretty much a statistical non-issue)....

A worldwide movement does not "get it" because they are not actually looking at racial studies on crime between races....


I mean its not popular to say but 13% (really 6% if you count young black males who are most of the stat) of people commit 54% of homicides, and the vast majority of violent crimes and gang affiliations. And, that is not even looking at drug crimes. Is it really a wonder why one race interacts with police more frequently.... If saying that is racist (which I am sure somebody will say), then statistics are racist.... Or the DOJ is racist.... There is a huge violent crime problem in the black community, its not popular to say, but its the reality...

Quote: Gandler

Black on Black violence
and
Black on White violence

are infinitely more of an issue than cop on black violence (in fact its pretty much a statistical non-issue)....

Before pointing the pointy finger at them, it's not unique for people to respond disproportionately to possible threats. How many times did gun sales surge during Obama's term? People here, were bragging about it.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-the-gun-industry-misses-obama-2019-05-07

A city of 50,000 can get nervous about hearing a serial killer has killed 6 people over a year's time.

Our terrorism response was disproportionate to our problem with American's dying in auto-accidents or from heart disease.

There's always some greater threat. But don't forget racism issue really isn't limited to just killing; it's aggravated by more common issues like being stopped for looking suspicious. More everyday stuff.

Quote: terapined

What threat??????? Was the old guy acting in a threatening manner?
Were the officers fearing for their lives?
Peaceful protesting is a threat??????????
WTF
Its a right guaranteed by the Constitution.
This did not need to happen. Let people protest.

I think the Old Indian guy must be some of that, "Southern Hospitality," Gandler was telling me so much about. Did you listen to the call that the police responded to? It was basically, "There's a thin black guy walking around the neighborhood the last three days who I've never seen before."

If I was on the receiving end of the call, I'd have said, "Umm...okay, what else is he doing?"

"He's not doing anything else, but I don't think he's from around here, I've never seen him before."

"Okay, can you please explain what crime he is committing?"

"Um..."

"Right. Please don't call again, thank you."

Quote: The Defense

When you come to the US we expect you to follow our laws and speak our language. Mr. Patel bears as much responsibility for this as anyone.

Um...what? Can anyone show me the law that says you're required to speak English in order to be in the United States? I've certainly never seen such a law. Maybe there is a state law down there to that effect, wouldn't surprise me.

Quote: Mission146

I think the Old Indian guy must be some of that, "Southern Hospitality," Gandler was telling me so much about. Did you listen to the call that the police responded to? It was basically, "There's a thin black guy walking around the neighborhood the last three days who I've never seen before."

If I was on the receiving end of the call, I'd have said, "Umm...okay, what else is he doing?"

"He's not doing anything else, but I don't think he's from around here, I've never seen him before."

"Okay, can you please explain what crime he is committing?"

"Um..."

"Right. Please don't call again, thank you."



Um...what? Can anyone show me the law that says you're required to speak English in order to be in the United States? I've certainly never seen such a law. Maybe there is a state law down there to that effect, wouldn't surprise me.

Thats a cheap point.

I don’t know anything about the "old Indian guy". I am talking about the old white guy walked into the riot line during street clearing.

He got pushed back. Do you know how many people get pushed back by police during riots? This was also in New York, nothing to do with the South....

He 100% deserved to be pushed. Career protester (literally, look him up....)

The charges of assault are political foolishness that will not hold up in court...

Quote: Gandler

Thats a cheap point.

I don’t know anything about the "old Indian guy". I am talking about the old white guy walked into the riot line during street clearing.

He got pushed back. Do you know how many people get pushed back by police during riots? This was also in New York, nothing to do with the South....

He 100% deserved to be pushed. Career protester (literally, look him up....)

The charges of assault are political foolishness that will not hold up in court...

The video was quoted a few pages back and you quoted it in a response, so I assumed you had watched it.

I am not talking about the old white guy. Do you think I'd bring up the South if I had been? Happened in Buffalo.

As far as the old white guy goes, I don't care what he did for a career. He's clearly a thin old man, so just cuff him and take him away gently if he's in your way. I don't think assault charges will hold up, either and I don't think they are valid.

I think that the police can sometimes make a mistake and not use the minimum amount of force necessary without simultaneously having committed a crime as a result and this is one example.

Quote: Mission146

The video was quoted a few pages back and you quoted it in a response, so I assumed you had watched it.

I am not talking about the old white guy. Do you think I'd bring up the South if I had been? Happened in Buffalo.

As far as the old white guy goes, I don't care what he did for a career. He's clearly a thin old man, so just cuff him and take him away gently if he's in your way. I don't think assault charges will hold up, either and I don't think they are valid.

I think that the police can sometimes make a mistake and not use the minimum amount of force without simultaneously having committed a crime as a result and this is one example.

I agree
The police clear areas all the time without putting people in the hospital

Quote: Mission146

I think that the police can sometimes make a mistake and not use the minimum amount of force necessary without simultaneously having committed a crime as a result and this is one example.

Great way to sum it up! Thanks. I also agree that the cops will not be convicted, but I expect they will be sacrificial lambs and be mall cops in the fall.......

Quote: SOOPOO

Great way to sum it up! Thanks. I also agree that the cops will not be convicted, but I expect they will be sacrificial lambs and be mall cops in the fall.......

We need, "Thank You," buttons! Thank you!