Stop the Steal!

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January 10th, 2021 at 7:31:04 PM permalink
Gandler
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Maga animals attacking the police


The WH never lowered its flags at half staff in honor of the fallen police officer. Nancy Pelosi ordered the Capitol’s flags at half staff.

Just shows that “Blue Lives Matter” was just an empty campaign slogan to rile up the racists in the party against BLM.


Yeah its blatant hypocrisy.

Its really sad that there is zero outrage when police are killed doing their duty properly. But, the more disturbing thing is (at least from the members on here), the "blue lives matter" crowd only seem to care when police are killed by certain demographics.... When police arrest (not even in a violent way) people for violating as mask ordinance, full support from the right for protestors to stalk the officer's family at home and protest at their door (I don't think BLM has ever done anything like that even for extreme examples of more logical cases of police misconduct). And, when police are killed by Trump supporters, it goes back to the "red coat" argument.

Police are not perfect. But, what is more disturbing is when people in power encourage mob violence and then police get tasked with trying to keep the peace and when they get killed, the right calls them "patriots"....

I could be wrong, but I do not think that a single right wing person on here has condemned the riots in the capitol (I am happy to be corrected if wrong), because they know that they need to be loyal to the President. I am on the left, but I am at least consistent with my stance on this issue (and most issues for that matter even if it does not make me popular).

Riots are bad even if encouraged by politicians. Killing police trying to secure government buildings is bad even if encouraged by politicians Trying to stop a legal process is bad even encouraged by politicians. (its sad that this needs to be stated).


Not sure if I qualify as right wing.... I really think I’m ‘no wing’, but I’d go for the death penalty after conviction for whoever was responsible for killing the police officer. And I’d consider the death penalty for any of the people who stormed the Capitol. I consider the crime treason. I don’t give a damn if it is a Trump supporter or an ANTIFA person. You break into a federal building for the purpose of interfering in our Democracy,,,, Bye bye!


I am actually against the death penalty for legal systems (at least in civilian courts, I think military justice should be exempt, but that is getting off topic).

But, I do think the police showed enormous restraint. Deadly force could have easily been used for defense. It seems like the rioters used for force against the police that the police used against the rioters.

I do agree that I hope that everyone involved gets convicted. We do not need people like that in our society. But, overall I agree, I don't care about the underlying motives or societal perceptions, if you take that kind of action you should be convicted and face penalties. Personally, for some of the rioters who were less violent, I think that should be community service to clean up the capital.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:38:44 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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I do agree that I hope that everyone involved gets convicted. We do not need people like that in our society. But, overall I agree, I don't care about the underlying motives or societal perceptions, if you take that kind of action you should be convicted and face penalties. Personally, for some of the rioters who were less violent, I think that should be community service to clean up the capital.


Can’t disagree more. To me, EVERY person that entered the Capitol illegally committed an act of violence. And should face significant jail time. EVERY ONE OF THEM.
January 10th, 2021 at 7:46:29 PM permalink
Gandler
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Can’t disagree more. To me, EVERY person that entered the Capitol illegally committed an act of violence. And should face significant jail time. EVERY ONE OF THEM.


Well, to be fair, and I am not trying to be difficult. Originally, you said death penalty (which I do not agree with philosophically). I agree jail time for the violent ones who actually broke into buildings and harmed people. That comment your quoted was for the less violent ones who violated the law, but did not do massive damage.
January 10th, 2021 at 8:11:33 PM permalink
kenarman
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Can’t disagree more. To me, EVERY person that entered the Capitol illegally committed an act of violence. And should face significant jail time. EVERY ONE OF THEM.


I assume you would agree then that the rioters that attacked the Federal building in Portland and tried to burn it down for a month should face the same penalties.
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January 10th, 2021 at 8:36:16 PM permalink
rxwine
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Not sure if I qualify as right wing.... I really think I’m ‘no wing’, but I’d go for the death penalty after conviction for whoever was responsible for killing the police officer. And I’d consider the death penalty for any of the people who stormed the Capitol. I consider the crime treason. I don’t give a damn if it is a Trump supporter or an ANTIFA person. You break into a federal building for the purpose of interfering in our Democracy,,,, Bye bye!


Yo, you're the Buffalo wing.

Remember the charges come in layers. I believe just for breaking into a federal building can get you up to 6 months in jail. Then there's all that other stuff that may apply to some of those people but not to others. They even have unique charges like preventing official government work. And then there's some people who have the whole shebang, attacking officers, destroying federal property, threatening to hang Pence or Pelosi, and so on.

Some people may be able to plea bargain if there are any big fish to get like ring leaders, planners.


Hey Evenbob, if you don't think Trump could get impeached or the 25th, I hate to think what happens if that dummy Trump pardons those instigators.
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January 10th, 2021 at 8:58:30 PM permalink
terapined
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I assume you would agree then that the rioters that attacked the Federal building in Portland and tried to burn it down for a month should face the same penalties.


Sure
If there is video or picture evidence that a person committed a crime, prosecute.
Curious, any of the PDX protesters livestream themselves breaking the law like some Trumpers
Did any of them post pics of themselves on social media breaking the law like many Trumpers
Did they break the law in broad daylight in front of multiple news cameras like Trumpers
Did any of them give interviews to the news media afterwards bragging they broke the law like some Trumpers did
Police may have a tough job in Portland. Trumpers begging to get arrested
ROTFL
Talk about stupid
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January 11th, 2021 at 5:48:24 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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I assume you would agree then that the rioters that attacked the Federal building in Portland and tried to burn it down for a month should face the same penalties.


Easiest question I’ve had on this forum. YES!
January 11th, 2021 at 5:54:14 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Its really sad that there is zero outrage when police are killed doing their duty properly. But, the more disturbing thing is (at least from the members on here), the "blue lives matter" crowd only seem to care when police are killed by certain demographics....


You mean like the BLM crowd only cares when cops kill someone with a certain skin color? Once again, they set the standard now get upset when it is followed. Like I keep saying, when I hear Biden or someone else on the left condemn BLM itself and not "violence" then I will consider doing the same.
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January 11th, 2021 at 5:58:45 AM permalink
ams288
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Like I keep saying, when I hear Biden or someone else on the left condemn BLM itself and not "violence" then I will consider doing the same.


Narrator: No, Duffman won’t consider it.
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January 11th, 2021 at 3:55:08 PM permalink
ams288
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This traitor gave a new definition to “stop the steal.”



Sadly, Snopes has determined that this is false.

He did not die from tasering his balls. He just had a random heart attack and died.

Trying to overthrow the government is just too much excitement for some people, I guess.
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