Who is Blocking Racial Progress?

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April 13th, 2021 at 6:16:05 PM permalink
Mission146
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As to the last part, I don't know if it's the religious or conservatives who have done more harm to the whole business of unwanted pregnancy by not only not supporting a liberal approach, but absolutely condemning it.


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Yes.

Corporate-Industrial interests and moral causes make strange bedfellows, but the churches are pulling the strings of the Republican Party Puppet on that one.
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April 13th, 2021 at 7:44:25 PM permalink
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I'm going to say that the only category of people that seem to be significantly stupider than others, on average, is White Evangelical Christians.


I hate to say it, but my experiences put Hawaiian's in that category.
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April 13th, 2021 at 10:37:19 PM permalink
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I hate to say it, but my experiences put Hawaiian's in that category.


I lived in Hawaii for 6 months and dealt with native Hawaiians everyday. Dumb as rocks about covers it. The only ones dumber were the Samoans and the native Hawaiians made fun of them all day long. From my experience Native Americans in general are not the sharpest tools in the drawer. In Hawaii male royalty was expected to marry their sisters. That had to produce some interesting offspring.
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April 14th, 2021 at 2:18:53 AM permalink
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As to the last part, I don't know if it's the religious or conservatives who have done more harm to the whole business of unwanted pregnancy by not only not supporting a liberal approach, but absolutely condemning it.

The liberal approach is the only one which gives all the options. The BRUTAL reality is kids (girls and boys) need explicit sex counseling at the age 11 or earlier. The BRUTAL reality is if you depend on parents to do it, you're not going to solve the worst of the problems. The BRUTAL reality is once you've argued abstinence as an option you need to make it okay for kids who ignore that to pursue "the pill" and other birth control options for those that can use them. The BRUTAL reality is FREE birth control like "the pill" will pay for itself in poor communities if you think welfare moms are a burden on society. The BRUTAL reality is religious organizations need to spend way more time preparing their kids for a PLANNED PARENTHHOOD than condemning out of wedlock sex. And they need to stop pretending it's more to chastity than luck that their girls didn't get pregnant.

Kids in nice neighborhoods are making all the same mistakes. They aren't better. But you're unlikely to hear about it as affluence often means more education more options and thus better secrecy.


The BRUTAL REALITY is we have been giving this kind of sex education for going on 50 years.
The BRUTAL REALITY is the "option" liberal give is to rip an unborn baby to shreds and say "it was just a lump of cells anyways."
The BRUTAL REALITY is they then wonder why there is so much other violence in society when they take that attitude.
The BRUTAL REALITY is in the black community many girls are encouraged to let themselves get pregnant so they can get their own government housing and checks.
The BRUTAL REALITY is that liberals think they are good people for wanting more welfare for these people than to actually try to encourage them off welfare and out of poverty.
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April 14th, 2021 at 4:07:42 AM permalink
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The BRUTAL REALITY is we have been giving this kind of sex education for going on 50 years.
The BRUTAL REALITY is the "option" liberal give is to rip an unborn baby to shreds and say "it was just a lump of cells anyways."
The BRUTAL REALITY is they then wonder why there is so much other violence in society when they take that attitude.
The BRUTAL REALITY is in the black community many girls are encouraged to let themselves get pregnant so they can get their own government housing and checks.
The BRUTAL REALITY is that liberals think they are good people for wanting more welfare for these people than to actually try to encourage them off welfare and out of poverty.


I'm confused. If the last two sentences were true, then why would one NOT be in favor of abortions? It seems that abortions, even if the Government were to foot the bill, would be far less expensive in the long run than a kid being born.

See, lots of Conservatives are weird that way. They really want these kids to get born, but don't so much care what happens to them after that.
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April 14th, 2021 at 4:17:24 AM permalink
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I'm confused. If the last two sentences were true, then why would one NOT be in favor of abortions? It seems that abortions, even if the Government were to foot the bill, would be far less expensive in the long run than a kid being born.

See, lots of Conservatives are weird that way. They really want these kids to get born, but don't so much care what happens to them after that.


Because they are trying to get pregnant. That way they can get their own government place and get out of their parent's place. It is the welfare cycle created by LBJ. FWIW blacks are already accounting for far more abortions than they represent in the population. Planned Parenthood was created to reduce the number of black babies born.
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April 14th, 2021 at 4:32:55 AM permalink
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Planned Parenthood was created to reduce the number of black babies born.


If this were true and not something Duffman just made up, today’s GOP would be very pro-Planned Parenthood.
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April 14th, 2021 at 5:47:04 AM permalink
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If this were true and not something Duffman just made up, today’s GOP would be very pro-Planned Parenthood.


That's what I keep saying. Nothing better to cut welfare and education spending than people not being alive to begin with.
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April 14th, 2021 at 6:35:51 AM permalink
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That's what I keep saying. Nothing better to cut welfare and education spending than people not being alive to begin with.


If that was the case then after almost 50 years of legal abortion we should no longer have a welfare class. But we do. The argument that more abortion = less welfare is very weak. Education spending keeps going up no matter if more or less kids are born, less kids in the 70s way more spending. Similar to today.
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April 14th, 2021 at 6:51:13 AM permalink
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If that was the case then after almost 50 years of legal abortion we should no longer have a welfare class. But we do. The argument that more abortion = less welfare is very weak. Education spending keeps going up no matter if more or less kids are born, less kids in the 70s way more spending. Similar to today.


Okay, let's assume that one person on welfare or in public school costs a non-zero amount of money.

Having made that assumption, let's assume that said person is never born.

It's really not a difficult concept. If every pregnancy resulted in an abortion, then there would be no public school education spending whatsoever in twenty years.
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