In the News II

Quote: SOOPOO

I think it’s a nice thing if you have a child with DS to give her a doll that’s ‘like her’. Don’t they also make ‘wheelchair’ dolls and ‘bald’ dolls to appeal to those with those afflictions? I don’t think anyone on the left or right would have a problem with this concept.

I would question what about the doll shows it has DS? If a person has Downs and is just sitting quietly could you even tell? What about an inanimate doll is different here?

Quote: odiousgambit

It's hard to be against this, but is there really a market for this?

I think we know what comes next.

Quote: DoubleGold

Anything that leads to sterilization could be considered as woke.

All persons are just as valuable as anyone else.

To encourage a person not to be able to reproduce is unethical.

That one I do not agree with. Some people have conditions so bad they will be incapable of caring for the kid. Others you need to pull aside and tell them that a kid born to them is going to have a very rough time, do they want to do that?

Sometimes this is why people who do not want kids do not want kids.

Quote: AZDuffman

That one I do not agree with. Some people have conditions so bad they will be incapable of caring for the kid. Others you need to pull aside and tell them that a kid born to them is going to have a very rough time, do they want to do that?

Sometimes this is why people who do not want kids do not want kids.

I don't think I understand your point.

Care to expand?



With what I wrote, there is one exception that I can think of.

A suicide, such as a life is more valuable than being able to reproduce.

Quote: DoubleGold

I don't think I understand your point.

Care to expand?

A person who is mentally retarded should not have kids. They cannot care for them. The kids will inherit the condition in most cases. You have to ask yourself if putting a burden on your kid is the right thing to do just because you want to have kids.

On the second part, some people are able to make it in life but it was such a challenge that they do not want to burden another person with it. Or they just had an unfulfilling childhood. They get told how they should have kids by people who had everything as a kid. They just think everyone grew up the way they did. Some of us say "no way I want to put another human being thru all this."

Quote: AZDuffman

A person who is mentally retarded should not have kids. They cannot care for them. The kids will inherit the condition in most cases. You have to ask yourself if putting a burden on your kid is the right thing to do just because you want to have kids.

On the second part, some people are able to make it in life but it was such a challenge that they do not want to burden another person with it. Or they just had an unfulfilling childhood. They get told how they should have kids by people who had everything as a kid. They just think everyone grew up the way they did. Some of us say "no way I want to put another human being thru all this."

TY. I understand now.


Someone's will and conscience that's negatively affected by nature.


The responsibility of the person would be the legal custodian.

It would not be ethical for the custodian to take the person's life.


In regards to being ethical for the person's reproduction capability, it could depend on if the person could later become healed or cured.

To determine if a person can be healed or cured in the future, is not known, so it would be unethical to sterilize.

But, it could be ethical while the condition exists to prevent reproduction while preserving the capacity.

BRB - gonna go get a “woke” vasectomy.

Quote: AZDuffman

I would question what about the doll shows it has DS? If a person has Downs and is just sitting quietly could you even tell? What about an inanimate doll is different here?

Down’s Syndrome afflicted people predominantly have recognizable foreheads/head shape/eye distance that make them look different enough from us ‘regular folk’ to tell one has Down’s. Usually….

Also airway and cardiac changes that are known to diligent anesthesiologists, but probably not doll makers…

Quote: ams288

BRB - gonna go get a “woke” vasectomy.

Good point. DG’s worry about sterilizing transgenders is beyond stupid.

Quote: SOOPOO

Good point. DG’s worry about sterilizing transgenders is beyond stupid.

A vasectomy goes against nature too.

Humans were designed by nature to reproduce.


Now, if you are just lazy and don't work or don't want to work as much or just plain selfish, you might want to choose to get cut.

But that doesn't mean it's ethical.

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Long-Term Complications of Male Vasectomies

Updated January 9, 2020
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Vasectomy and Disease

Numerous studies over more than 30 years have shown correlations between vasectomy and increased incidences of many diseases. The list of the diseases studied for links includes prostate cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, erectile dysfunction, chronic testicular pain, chronic inflammation, epididymitis, prostatitis, and testicular cancer. If that’s not enough, how about other reports of vasectomy resulting in increased incidences of recurrent serious infections, atherosclerosis, non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and several other forms of cancer, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, migraine and other forms of headaches, liver dysfunction, generalized lymph node enlargement, and adrenal gland malfunction. According to H. J. Roberts, MD, who has done extensive research on the subject for more than 25 years, “no other operation performed on humans even approaches the degree and duration of multiple immunologic responses that occur in the post-vasectomy state.”
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