Reparations: how to apply for yours

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June 17th, 2026 at 3:33:42 AM permalink
GenoDRPh
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Black people enslaved them before white people did.

States that abolished slavery earlier had a few different things. One, they did not have the large-scale slavery that the south did. More of a chance that someone had just one or a few. Additionally, in most of those states it was gradual. Generally, children of slaves were free after some age, generally in their 20s. So you did not have millions of people who knew nothing but slavery freed and told "lots of luck" with the best hoped for.

I have seen emancipation papers and slaves freed in wills. In most cases there was a transition period, until either the widow died or say a year or two. It is easy to believe that such a benevolent master would prepare the soon to be free slave about life.


Sounds nice, but it's a load of bullchit. Nothing more than a rationalization for the continuation fo slavery. Gradual or not, some stateses got rid of slavery before the Civil War and didn't fight a war of secession in order to perpetuate slavery.

Black people owned other black people in the New World before white people did? That's news to me. Who were these black people who first important black slaves into Virginia in 1619, or Massachusetts in 1641? Do tell!

The only people responsible for slavery in the colonies are the European colonists themselves.Not the native Americans, not the Africans who caught other Africans to be sold into slavery or the slaves themselves. It was the Europeans who bought the slaves, transported them and put them to work.
June 17th, 2026 at 4:35:11 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: GenoDRPh
Funny how the old habits didn't have a hard time dying as hard in some places in the US as in others.
I know! Those Democrats!
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June 17th, 2026 at 4:54:45 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: GenoDRPh

The only people responsible for slavery in the colonies are the European colonists themselves.Not the native Americans, not the Africans who caught other Africans to be sold into slavery
How do the latter get off the hook? ...
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or the slaves themselves.
OK we can say that
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It was the Europeans who bought the slaves, transported them and put them to work.
True. Let's demand Europe pay the Reparations! What was going on in the sugar plantations in Haiti , in terrible conditions, was enriching Europe [France] way past anything going on in the 13 colonies. Sugar was White Gold.

And, "The 13 colonies and subsequent United States legally banned the international importation of enslaved people on January 1, 1808" per googlebot. 1808 was when South Carolina agreed to it after dragging her feet. Yes illegal smuggling continued.

I'm not comfortable with letting New England off the hook. Before the bans, Rhode Island was notorious ... "Rhode Island was not just complicit; it was the absolute center of the North American slave trade. Despite its small size, Rhode Island merchants and ship captains accounted for roughly 60% to 90% of all slave trading voyages launched from the American colonies" per googlebot.

So I changed my mind, Europe and the state of RI both have to come up with all these Reparations!!
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June 17th, 2026 at 5:03:12 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Just googlebotted this too

"Rhode Island was the most complicit state in North America in both the legal and subsequent illegal trans-Atlantic slave trade.Despite being the smallest state, Rhode Island merchants controlled between 60 and 90 percent of the American trade in enslaved Africans. Most egregiously, a massive portion of this human trafficking occurred after Rhode Island passed its own prohibitory law in 1787 and after the U.S. federal government outlawed the international slave trade in 1808.The depth of Rhode Island's complicity is evidenced across several areas" emphasis mine

1. Defiance of State and Federal LawsRhode Island passed a law in 1787 banning its citizens from participating in the slave trade. It was completely ignored. Slavers out of Newport and Bristol actually reached their all-time peak of human trafficking in 1807, transporting thousands of captives right up until the federal U.S. Act Prohibiting the Importation of Slaves took effect on January 1, 1808. Slavers then moved their operations underground, continuing to traffic Africans illegally into the 1820s.2. The DeWolf Dynasty and Deep Political CorruptionThe prominent DeWolf family of Bristol, RI, became the most successful slave-trading family in U.S. history. Operating heavily into the illegal era (1808–1820), the DeWolfs brought over 12,000 enslaved Africans across the Middle Passage. Slavers like James DeWolf bypassed federal treaties and evaded murder and piracy charges by using immense wealth to buy political protection. DeWolf was eventually elected as a Rhode Island State Representative and a U.S. Senator, using his political office to protect his illegal shipping interests.3. Integrated "Triangle Trade" EconomyThe illegal slave trade was not the work of rogue sailors; it was the foundation of the state’s economy. Slavers vertically integrated the entire system:Distilleries: Rhode Island imported molasses from slave plantations in Cuba and the Caribbean to manufacture rum.The Exchange: The rum was shipped to West Africa and directly exchanged for human beings.Financing: Local institutions, like the Bank of Bristol and the Mount Hope Insurance Company, were created specifically to finance and underwrite illegal slaving voyages.4. Transition to Industrial ComplicityWhen the death penalty was attached to the illegal trans-Atlantic trade in 1820, Rhode Island merchants did not abandon slavery. Instead, they transitioned their capital into textile mills (such as the Arkwright Mill in Coventry). These northern mills became highly lucrative by processing slave-harvested cotton from the American South, meaning Rhode Island remained financially tethered to and complicit in the slave economy up until the Civil War.If you want to explore this history further, let me know if you would like to look into:The history of Brown University's financial ties to the trade.How the DeWolf family hid their operations in Cuba.The specific actions of Rhode Island abolitionists who tried to stop the trade.10 sitesRhode Island slave trade - WikipediaThe Rhode Island slave trade was the network of maritime commerce, financial activity, and human trafficking through which merchan...Wikipedia25+ Copies Paperback Book James DeWolf and the Rhode Island Slave Trade by Cynthia Mestad Johnson, 9781626194793Over thirty thousand slaves were brought to the shores of colonial America on ships owned and captained by James DeWolf. When the ...GoogleJames DeWolf and the DeWolf Family - [got rich] [goes on, you can do your own research]
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June 17th, 2026 at 5:06:35 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: GenoDRPh
Sounds nice, but it's a load of bullchit. Nothing more than a rationalization for the continuation fo slavery. Gradual or not, some stateses got rid of slavery before the Civil War and didn't fight a war of secession in order to perpetuate slavery.

Black people owned other black people in the New World before white people did? That's news to me. Who were these black people who first important black slaves into Virginia in 1619, or Massachusetts in 1641? Do tell!

The only people responsible for slavery in the colonies are the European colonists themselves.Not the native Americans, not the Africans who caught other Africans to be sold into slavery or the slaves themselves. It was the Europeans who bought the slaves, transported them and put them to work.


If it were not for blacks selling blacks into slavery it would never have existed in the New World. And, BTW, Indians owned plenty of slaves. I really suggest you learn some actual history. I also suggest you learn a little about how a person in slavery all their lives has a "slave mentality" and is not able to function in free life unless shown.

You are right, though, that Democrats fought a war to keep slavery.
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June 17th, 2026 at 5:18:03 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: AZDuffman
... learn a little about how a person in slavery all their lives has a "slave mentality" and is not able to function in free life unless shown.

You are right, though, that Democrats fought a war to keep slavery.
The way a person who was always a slave has difficulty adjusting to freedom is called the Libertine problem. This mostly refers to the incorrigible concept that such have that people who are not slaves indulge constantly in hedonism, gained their position in life by manipulating [and doing worse to] other people, and that these things are what freedom is all about, to be imitated. For once I won't check googlebot but that might be interesting.
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June 17th, 2026 at 5:35:06 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: odiousgambit
The way a person who was always a slave has difficulty adjusting to freedom is called the Libertine problem. This mostly refers to the incorrigible concept that such have that people who are not slaves indulge constantly in hedonism, gained their position in life by manipulating [and doing worse to] other people, and that these things are what freedom is all about, to be imitated. For once I won't check googlebot but that might be interesting.


You get it but since other don't.........

If you moved away to college you probably saw lots of people who were still children dumped into adulthood. Lots got checking accounts but did not know you had to have money in the account to write a check. Having to deal with any number of "adult" things. Non of us knew all of them, that is part of growing up. But lots did not get anything about being on their own.

Now imagine if that was you but you had never even left the small boro or town you grew up in, plus you probably could not read or write. What you imagine is a slave just set free with no guidance.
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