Original Sin?

Quote: Carl Sagan

We are all made of star stuff

Quote: FrGamble

Then who created man (or matter)?

Who created God?

Come on, if matter requires a creator, then the creator requires a creator, ad infinitum. If the creator doesn't require a creator, then matter shouldn't, either.

Come on, just because matter needs a creator does not mean the creator does. Just because all we have experience of are contingent beings like ourselves and contingent stuff, like everything around us, does not mean that there is not a being beyond our experience that holds existence in itself and is not contingent upon anything or anyone else, this is what we call God, aka the uncaused cause, the unmoved mover, etc.

This is important because what you describe above leads to an infinite regress, which I think is a logical fallacy. If nothing ever began than how did what obviously exists get here? This would lead to something that is not only beyond our experience, but beyond our comprehension. We can at least understand and reasonably comprehend a being such as God. Infinite matter that has no beginning is not logical or reasonable.

Quote: aceofspades

We are all made of stars

Who created the stars?

Quote: FrGamble

This is important because what you describe above leads to an infinite regress, which I think is a logical fallacy.

Ye sit is. but the argument is usually that the universe is so complex it had to be created. IF so, then the creator is even more complex, so it had to be created, too, by something more complex, which had to be created, etc.

It is a fallacy, but not my fallacy.

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Infinite matter that has no beginning is not logical or reasonable.

The universe need not be logical or reasonable, it just needs to be consistent.

Quote: aceofspades

We are all made of stars

But the stars are made of green cheese.

Quote: FrGamble

Who created the stars?

I don't know, but 'God did it' is not a good answer either.

Quote: TheCesspit

I don't know, but 'God did it' is not a good answer either.

It would be if you could a) show definitive proof that God did it and 2) find out how he did it.

Quote: FrGamble

Who created the stars?

How do you know it is a "Who"…? Why must there be a "Creator"…?

Like Nareed stated - if there is a Creator, then who created the creator…and so on and so forth…?

Quote: Nareed

It would be if you could a) show definitive proof that God did it and 2) find out how he did it.

'God did it' is not a sufficent or a complete answer, then if we must be pedantic.