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Climate Change -- conspiracy theory or is it time we all drive a Prius?
| October 23rd, 2015 at 8:55:47 AM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 76 Posts: 12501 |
I believe in climate change The tipping point will be the loss of low land due to rising sea levels Seeing is believing. This is the only thing that will convince the right that climate change is real Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |
| October 23rd, 2015 at 8:57:58 AM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22931 |
I look at it as something like Japan's Tsunami on their energy and economy. Deal with it now, or deal with it later. I consider the former cheaper than the latter in economic terms as well as other ways. "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP. |
| October 23rd, 2015 at 9:21:41 AM permalink | |
| kenarman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 14 Posts: 4530 |
What is your time line for this event? Give it as a range if that makes you more comfortable. "but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin |
| October 23rd, 2015 at 9:23:35 AM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
I don't know if there is a tipping point. I haven't seen any consensus on that, and mostly from what I see the tipping point arguments are from the alarmists trying to get people to do something about it now. Want global cooling? The lowest-tech solution is to plant a heck of a lot of trees to pull the Co2 out of the air and trap the carbon inside of them. There are also those ideas about injecting the co2 somewhere deep. What is real is warmer temperartures will lead to ecological changes. Things like the the water levels rising to cover more of the land, tropical regions becoming desert, temperate regions becoming tropical, that sort of thing. If it happens too fast, thing won't be able to move to the new regions or adapt to the new conditions and will die off. Someone asked earlier about "where are the strong storms?" here is one: Weather.com Hurricane Patricia While warming isn't necessarily all bad, I see more bad things than good things coming from it. As for the impact of CO2 on global warming, there are obviously more than just one thing that has an effect on the climate. CO2 is a greenhouse gas, that affects the climate, and people are contributing to putting a lot of CO2 into the air. So the question isn't really "Does CO2 change the climate" but really is "how much are people changing the climate beyond the natural cycles of the earth?" Does the lack of a consistent timeline motivate you to let someone else pay for it later? "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| October 23rd, 2015 at 9:30:49 AM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Here is a little humor. the New Yorker is terrible with their ads, sorry about that. Scientists: Earth Endangered by new Strain of Fact Resistant Humans "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| October 23rd, 2015 at 3:14:56 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 137 Posts: 21195 |
A hurricane during hurricane season! Next thing you know we will have snow in the north this winter! While warming isn't necessarily all bad, I see more bad things than good things coming from it.
I am sure they do believe their own work and I am sure you are buying whatever they are selling. As to me, I am not buying that you can measure temperatures decades and even centuries later. I am not buying a trend that lasts just 100 years.
Right, I do not believe it. Humans are 5% or so of greenhouse gasses, so you are talking a 1-2% change. Like you said, I am not buying it. I believe them, and I do think for myself. That's why I believe them. I know another one of your beliefs is someone who agrees with a group isn't thinking for themselves. It is not "agreeing with a group" that makes you not think for yourself, it is not thinking for yourself. Any believer I listen to says just, "the scientists say it is true so it must be!" No doubts. So the believers say, "PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FREEDOMS AND TAKE MY MONEY! Meanwhile their spokespeople live in mansions and ride private jets to spread the message. They never get upset at this. They never ask why big money is so in favor of all the regulations. They never wonder any of this. They just beg to be taxed more, beg to pay more for their electricity, and beg to have their freedoms taken. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength |
| October 23rd, 2015 at 4:13:54 PM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | The strongest hurricane ever recorded. I guess you missed that part. I think the only thing you care about is your money. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| October 23rd, 2015 at 4:23:53 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 137 Posts: 21195 |
Nope, already heard it. I've seen several "strongest hurricane ever" recordings in my life. They happen. I am figuring you missed that overall hurricane activity was very low this season, and for the last several. Weather happens. Records fall.
I see no reason to give it away for the fraud that is AGW. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength |
| October 23rd, 2015 at 4:44:44 PM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Mar 25, 2013 Threads: 5 Posts: 732 |
The fact that it is the strongest hurricane ever is not significant. Climate change is all about the long term trends. I will not bother to respond to the other arguments because there really is no point. I argued this on this forum and the other one for years and the naysayers are not convinced and I am not convinced otherwise either. What I will do is refute what other people state as fact (such as EB's Weather Channel dude refuting climate change). Oh well. |
| October 23rd, 2015 at 5:34:44 PM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 217 Posts: 22931 |
If you don't think small changes can make a difference keep your freezer at 33F week after week and see what happens. "Trumpsplain (def.) explaining absolute nonsense said by TRUMP. |