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Quote: Evenbob

That debate was a joke. They fact checked Trump on the spot and never once fact checked camel face. Everybody on both sides criticized that it was a terrible terrible debate because of the moderation.

Trump's never won any debate yet, if they were based on total number of lies. He came closest with Biden's last debate because Biden made quite a few. That's if you went through them thoroughly identifying each statement.

Quote: rxwine

Trump's never won any debate yet, if they were based on total number of lies. He came closest with Biden's last debate because Biden made quite a few. That's if you went through them thoroughly identifying each statement.

Lies are politics, no reason the best liar doesn't become president.

Quote: AZDuffman

Moderation? Wasn’t it more like when the wwf would have a heel as guest referee?

GREAT ANALOGY

I DONT believe there should be any ‘fact checking’ by moderators DURING an actual debate. The moderators are certainly free to express their OPINIONS on the veracity of a participants claims AFTER the debate has concluded. The combatants can ‘fact check’ each other during their rebuttal time.

To me, DEI is a racist policy. That’s a fact. I’ll bet there are some here who disagree. So how can someone ‘fact check’ such?

Quote: SOOPOO

GREAT ANALOGY

I DONT believe there should be any ‘fact checking’ by moderators DURING an actual debate. The moderators are certainly free to express their OPINIONS on the veracity of a participants claims AFTER the debate has concluded. The combatants can ‘fact check’ each other during their rebuttal time.

To me, DEI is a racist policy. That’s a fact. I’ll be there are some here who disagree. So how can someone ‘fact check’ such?

What about DEI is racist?

Quote: Gandler

What about DEI is racist?

Uh, giving extra benefit to a person based on race? Is that not racist where you come from?

Quote: Gandler

What about DEI is racist?

Imagine that there was an actual policy that stated ‘we need more white players in the NBA, and each team must have over 70%, to mirror the general population’. Would you call that racist?

DEI seeks to do exactly that, just change ‘white’ to black.

Similar easy examples for gender. Or ‘Latino/ Non Latino’.

The concept of what DEI wants to accomplish isn’t bad on its own. And preventing discrimination against these ‘underrepresented’ minorities is laudable. But it SHOULD NOT be done with quotas, or taking candidates BECAUSE of their gender/LGTBQ status/race OVER candidates that do not check one of those boxes.

Quote: SOOPOO

Imagine that there was an actual policy that stated ‘we need more white players in the NBA, and each team must have over 70%, to mirror the general population’. Would you call that racist?

DEI seeks to do exactly that, just change ‘white’ to black.

Similar easy examples for gender. Or ‘Latino/ Non Latino’.

The concept of what DEI wants to accomplish isn’t bad on its own. And preventing discrimination against these ‘underrepresented’ minorities is laudable. But it SHOULD NOT be done with quotas, or taking candidates BECAUSE of their gender/LGTBQ status/race OVER candidates that do not check one of those boxes.

For such a mega (maga) emphasis on anti-DEI, Trump could have set a meritocracy example in his own administration. Why should we pay diddly squat to him or his crap?

First thing you should do is impeach him, and get someone who does appoint on merit if you really believe in meritocracy.

Quote: SOOPOO

Imagine that there was an actual policy that stated ‘we need more white players in the NBA, and each team must have over 70%, to mirror the general population’. Would you call that racist?

DEI seeks to do exactly that, just change ‘white’ to black.

Similar easy examples for gender. Or ‘Latino/ Non Latino’.

The concept of what DEI wants to accomplish isn’t bad on its own. And preventing discrimination against these ‘underrepresented’ minorities is laudable. But it SHOULD NOT be done with quotas, or taking candidates BECAUSE of their gender/LGTBQ status/race OVER candidates that do not check one of those boxes.

Who among us has not had a person in a position and known they were a DEI hire?

College marketing professor. Incompetent. All she did for lectures was hold up the book and outline the chapter of the week. Running joke was she "got food poisoning at KFC" once a semester and cancelled class for the day. Everyone knew why she was there. Nobody could say anything. Students got ripped off.

Just one example in my life.

Quote: SOOPOO

Imagine that there was an actual policy that stated ‘we need more white players in the NBA, and each team must have over 70%, to mirror the general population’. Would you call that racist?

DEI seeks to do exactly that, just change ‘white’ to black.

Similar easy examples for gender. Or ‘Latino/ Non Latino’.

The concept of what DEI wants to accomplish isn’t bad on its own. And preventing discrimination against these ‘underrepresented’ minorities is laudable. But it SHOULD NOT be done with quotas, or taking candidates BECAUSE of their gender/LGTBQ status/race OVER candidates that do not check one of those boxes.

DEI is not done with quotas. I think you are mixing up affirmative action with DEI. Affirmative action is very rare at jobs (and more of a college thing in so far as it still exists.) DEI is just general training and classes. In fact think of this site "Diversity Tomorrow" that is a great example of modern DEI (even if done in a comedic way,) it is about training employees on other cultures and backgrounds to make everyone comfortable.

DEI is quite irrelevant to hiring and promotions, it is just all of those HR classes we constantly take about different cultural things.

If some organization had a policy that X% of job title Y needed to be insert race/gender/whatever (the one exception I would say is I think it is fair to reserve a certain portion of Federal/State jobs for people with Veteran Status, which is technically affirmative action for a protected class, and does this make me a hypocrite? Maybe, but there are logical reasons to do so.)

Yes, I would agree that is currently problematic (I would argue I could see how that could be beneficial in the 1950s when you needed to forcibly counteract segregation at a rapid pace, and waiting for society to naturally correct would have taken too long.) However, this is all academic, because none of this is DEI, DEI is just classes, trainings, and reading materials, etc... As far as I know Trump is not doing anything about affirmative action (he may have, I can't claim to follow every executive order with how rapidly he shoots them out.)

Quote: Gandler

DEI is not done with quotas. I think you are mixing up affirmative action with DEI. Affirmative action is very rare at jobs (and more of a college thing in so far as it still exists.) DEI is just general training and classes. In fact think of this site "Diversity Tomorrow" that is a great example of modern DEI (even if done in a comedic way,) it is about training employees on other cultures and backgrounds to make everyone comfortable.

DEI is quite irrelevant to hiring and promotions, it is just all of those HR classes we constantly take about different cultural things.

If some organization had a policy that X% of job title Y needed to be insert race/gender/whatever (the one exception I would say is I think it is fair to reserve a certain portion of Federal/State jobs for people with Veteran Status, which is technically affirmative action for a protected class, and does this make me a hypocrite? Maybe, but there are logical reasons to do so.)

Yes, I would agree that is currently problematic (I would argue I could see how that could be beneficial in the 1950s when you needed to forcibly counteract segregation at a rapid pace, and waiting for society to naturally correct would have taken too long.) However, this is all academic, because none of this is DEI, DEI is just classes, trainings, and reading materials, etc... As far as I know Trump is not doing anything about affirmative action (he may have, I can't claim to follow every executive order with how rapidly he shoots them out.)

DEI is just Affirmative Action dressed in a new name same as Liberal became Progressive. It might not have stated quotas but you had better believe it has quotas. Just look at the racist colleges who admitted less qualified students of the right skin color and go from there.

DEI "classes" are nothing of the sort. They are a total waste of time and hey hey if you have Mr. Brown teach the class then you have helped your DEI goals even if he is providing no real value.