Priest is Father, Padre. Really?
April 5th, 2015 at 3:50:58 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 | "Call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven" (Matt. 23:9) Man O Man, do they ever dance their way out of this one. Priests demand to be called 'father', even when Jesus didn't like the idea. This sticks in the craw of Protestants like you wouldn't believe. Talk about hubris.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 5th, 2015 at 6:10:25 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Any serious student of Scripture would not have this 'stick in their craw'. Again I am sorry to say this, but I think you are just making these people up. First of all throughout the Bible the use of father is used in a biological sense and to describe our ancestors; it is also used as a sign of respect or to describe someone with whom we have a special relationship. There are literally two many examples to cite but here is one, "I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel" (1 Cor. 4:1415). It is actually a biblical tradition to call our spiritual guides, fathers. Secondly you could of course use common sense, which isn't all that common, and wonder did Jesus really mean that we should not call our fathers father? In the same verses he says not to call another person teacher or master? Do these Protestants you speak of never call someone doctor, which means teacher or never call someone mister, which comes from master? Do they not call their dad their father? Finally, that means we are left with asking what Jesus meant by this teaching? I will let you discover that on your own if you are really interested, because it is a really great point. Remember that Jesus often uses hyperbole in His teaching to drive home something important. If you don't take it literally you will I think be edified. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
April 5th, 2015 at 7:34:52 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 | Jesus never means what it looks like he means, oh no. There are 14 different ways to look at it, very entertaining. And they're all right, just ask the people spouting them. I knew this was a messed up religion, but I really had no idea it was this messed up. I don't think there's even the kernel of a religion in any of it. Jesus said some nice things, that's about it. All you can do is if you must be a Christian, pick a version and hold your nose and plug your ears and hope for the best. Insanity. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 5th, 2015 at 8:41:39 PM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Or you might try to really discover through study and prayer what is the correct interpretation. Obviously, they can't all be right. Was there anything you disagreed with in my explanation or were you just ignoring my answer to make a point and really have no desire to enter into a discussion about this? It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
April 6th, 2015 at 1:20:42 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Anything I come up with thru study is always wrong, according to you. And prayer is a vast waste of time. That's a proven fact. But you know that, don't you. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 6th, 2015 at 2:14:53 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Getting the wrong answer is part of studying and learning. If you disagree with what I've said let me know. If not we learn something and that is a great thing. What worries me about you is that you have no interest in learning or studying these things about which you are so often confused. You have made up your mind and it is a mind that is horribly negative towards the Catholic Church. It is a good thing you are wrong again about prayer. I will continue to pray for you. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
April 6th, 2015 at 8:42:45 AM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
May I see the proof of that? Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
April 6th, 2015 at 9:17:52 AM permalink | |
reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 |
In randomized controlled blind trials, the results are mixed. Depending on the ailment, sometimes prayer works; sometimes it doesn't.
On the other hand...
Prayer sometimes works to cure cancer. It absolutely never works to help an amputee grow a lost limb. |
April 6th, 2015 at 11:34:34 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
They've done study after study on people who are on prayer lists. People who are sick and get on lists where groups of people pray for their recovery every day. The results are always the same. The people on the lists have exactly the same recovery rate as those not on the list. The people doing the praying laugh and laugh when they see results like this. They wink and nod at each other with knowing looks. They know god 'chose' the ones who would live on the prayer lists and those who lived on the non prayer lists died randomly. There is a name for this kind of thinking. Circular reasoning. It's the opposite of scientific method. You go into it knowing what the result will be, so you twist whatever result you get to fit your original premise. It's how most religions work. I don't mean this as a personal insult, but it's also what people in mental institutions do. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 6th, 2015 at 11:41:23 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
You mean I have zero interest in drinking the Church Kool Aid, which is correct. The institution that didn't apologize till 2000 for crimes it committed against Galileo 500 years ago. Organizations with that much arrogance and hubris should never be listened to on any subject. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |