Meltdown

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October 23rd, 2015 at 11:21:37 AM permalink
Ayecarumba
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Quote: Pacomartin
Sands is a larger company and is on the hook for a less expensive resort. However, if either resort is only awarded 150 tables they are probably both in trouble.

Sands is currently developing The Parisian Macao – its fourth property at Cotai Strip Resorts Macao – expected to open in 2016. It is to feature approximately 3,000 rooms and suites, gaming space, a retail mall, replica Eiffel Tower, MICE space, ...


I saw "MICE" on another website as a link to the conference/convention space. I assume the "C" is "Conference" or "Convention, but what do the other letters stand for?
October 23rd, 2015 at 11:27:17 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Evenbob
Construction hasn't started yet, Wynn can still back out.


I don't think it is the $1.7 billion Mass. property that he wants to back out of, it is the $4.1 billion Macau property. Studio City ($2 billion project) was awarded 200 tables with another 50 to come in January. Perhaps that it is an omen for what Wynn will get .
December 1st, 2015 at 4:23:26 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Macau just declared it's 18th month of drop in gaming revenue. So at 1.5 years, they are now getting massive drops on massive drops.

Nov 2014 was down -19.6% from Nov 2013.
Nov 2015 was down -32.3% from Nov 2014.
Nov 2015 was down -45.6% from Nov 2013.

Accumulated Gross Revenue for all of 2014 was down -2.6% from all of 2013.
Accumulated Gross Revenue for all of 2015 is down -35.3% from all of 2014.

Another way to look at it is revenue is now down to where it was over 5 years ago. It makes the meltdown in Atlantic City look a chilly breeze.

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In Atlantic city the Boardwalk casinos continue to drop and seem to have taken zero business from the closed casinos

(On Boardwalk)
+17.6% Resorts (north boardwalk) / smallest and oldest casino
+4.7% Tropicana (south boardwalk)
-5.5% Bally's (center boardwalk)
-5.0% Caesars (center boardwalk)
-17.7% Trump Taj Mahal (north boardwalk)

The three casinos not on the boardwalk are up 10% from last year

(Not on Boardwalk)
+29.0% Golden Nugget (former Trump Marina)
+8.2% Borgata
+4.3% Harrah's
December 1st, 2015 at 4:28:47 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Ayecarumba
I saw "MICE" on another website as a link to the conference/convention space. I assume the "C" is "Conference" or "Convention, but what do the other letters stand for?


It is Cats and Mice

CAT (casino tourism)
MICE (Meetings, Incentives, Conventions, Exhibitions)
December 1st, 2015 at 5:28:02 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin

Accumulated Gross Revenue for all of 2015 is down -35.3% from all of 2014.
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If you own any business, a 35% drop
in revenue from a year ago is huge bad
news, going out of business bad news.

My wife had a B&M business that rented
space to antique dealers. She had the same
income every year, added to what she
herself sold in the store. The last year
she was there, the landlord wanted a 20%
raise in his rent. That meant my wife would
have had to raise all the dealers rent 20%.
She would lose half of them, so she closed
the doors. That was 15 years ago and that
8000 sq ft store space has been empty ever
since. The owner lost almost a million in
rent because of greed.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
January 1st, 2016 at 11:12:07 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Macau is almost as unstoppable in it's descent as it was on it's rise.

Dec 2013 | 33.460 billion patacas
Dec 2015 | 18.340 billion patacas


Amid the continued, precipitous decline in gaming revenue in Macau:

LVS’ Asian division Sands China warned that its in-development $2.7b Parisian property on Macau’s Cotai strip might not meet its April 2016 opening target.

Wynn Resorts Ltd. announced on Thursday that the opening of its new $4.1 billion hotel will be delayed another three months, AFP News reports. Originally scheduled to open in late March 2016. The new opening date is now June 25, 2016.

CASINO LOUIS XIII MACAU CONFIRMS JULY 1, 2016 OPENING
After moving ahead of schedule with construction, the management team of Louis XIII Holdings Ltd has announced their new casino property will be opening in the south Cotai area of Macau in 2016. Setting a date of July 1st, the new boutique casino property will now have a set date thanks to construction moving slightly ahead of the planned schedule.

Hong Kong–Zhuhai–Macau Bridge (50 km and US$10.6 billion)
January 2nd, 2016 at 12:16:51 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin
Macau is almost as unstoppable in it's descent as it was on it's rise.

Dec 2013 | 33.460 billion patacas
Dec 2015 | 18.340 billion patacas


It's really incredible. A whole bunch of
new Revel's are about to open in a
market that's sure to see their quick
demise. The investors must be sick,
they have billions invested. I don't
feel sorry for the greedy bastards,
they really thought they had a tiger
by the tail and their eyeballs were
spinning $ signs. What goes up fast,
like Macau's success, can also come
down equally fast. Oh well..
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
January 2nd, 2016 at 8:17:00 AM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
I don't
feel sorry for the greedy bastards,


I guess that would include me. After I sold my sites I purchased $10,000 in Wynn stock at $144/share. It is $69.19 now -- more than a 50% drop.
Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
January 2nd, 2016 at 9:59:20 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Evenbob
It's really incredible. A whole bunch of
new Revel's are about to open in a
market that's sure to see their quick
demise. The investors must be sick,
they have billions invested. I don't
feel sorry for the greedy bastards,
they really thought they had a tiger
by the tail and their eyeballs were
spinning $ signs. What goes up fast,
like Macau's success, can also come
down equally fast. Oh well..


Markets get irrational all the time. Casinos, underwater fiber cable, automobiles, airlines, and others. On fire one minute then in decline the next.

As to Wynn I assume Vegas is back in the black as IIRC it seemed Macau was all that kept the company alive after the Panic of 2008.
The President is a fink.
January 2nd, 2016 at 11:55:15 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: AZDuffman
One fire one minute then in decline the next.


It's no accident none of the new casinos
are opening on time. Paying thousands
of employees when no money coming
in the front door will sink you like a rock.
I bet they think about Revel a hundred
times a day. It went from 'build it and
they will come' to they might come, to
they ain't coming, are they.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
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