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November 25th, 2015 at 11:38:06 AM permalink
Nareed
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: boymimbo
Sins are not acts, they can be thoughts as well.


Don't you find this oppressive? I do. I see it like thoughtcrime in 1984, a means of thought control.

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Believe in Christ, then follow Him and learn about Him,


This looks to me to be exactly in reverse order.

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You keep getting locked into the act of "sin" and it being "bad". No. Sin is inevitable. I don't feel guilt or badness around some of my sin. If I sin and it turns out to be a "beneficial act", I'll shrug and let God decide.


But you're supposed to atone for sins, seek forgiveness, and stop sinning. This is very hard when the "sin" is good for your life, and it's not something you can stop doing.

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God finally reappears, tells Job where his thinking goes wrong and restores Job's prosperity. Point is that we don't know why we suffer.


The way I read it, God tells Job "Who are you to dare question me, you miserable worm?" My interpretation is that Jehovah is a cruel, sadistic SOB with a dominating personality and a massive inferiority complex. A bully, in other words. And never mind the attempt to put things right by giving Job a new family. what was his original family? Disposable? Is that how the Bible's god sees people? Like socks or shoes you can replace with new ones?

Mind, this is not exclusive of Hebrew mythology. The Greeks were fond of the bullying gods, too. Ask Arachne or Sisyphus. And that matter of the Trojan war over vanity would have made Narcissus blush.

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I dunno, Nareed. I think that, in terms of sexuality, that people are indeed "born that way" and that there should be an allowance for the seven or so verses in the bible that talk about homosexuality being a sin.


In principle I wouldn't mind if all Christian churches simply refused to admit LGBT people. In practice, this also is damaging socially in many places. Besides, if the alleged true word of God cannot make all Christians adopt the same religious practices as prescribed by the true word of God, good luck getting them to agree with a matter of policy.

In practice, I'd be satisfied if Christian churches merely decided not to make gay bashing an all-encompassing essential aspect of their faith or practice. But see what I wrote above.

In the end social pressures will leave them little choice.

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If you were interested in a relationship with God, I would find a denomination that openly accepts the LGB community. God will judge in the end.


I would find a psychiatrist ;)

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I think today's churches should be focusing on the much greater problems of inequality, war, poverty, and socialism


Why should they? Those are all doing quite well these days and don't seem to require any additional help ;)


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Life is short. I think there are two ways to live it. If you don't believe in an afterlife or a God, then live every day to its fullest and with purpose as possible, ignoring morals and ethics for your own ego, wants, and needs and the gain of your family.


Ah, there's the false dichotomy. I had wondered how long it would take.

I've said any number of times before, one cannot live "to the fullest" if one ignores morality and ethics. A healthy ego, one capable of self-esteem, does not need to be lived for, but is required for living well.

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If you believe in God, then you try to live every day with a greater purpose then yourself and your family. You try to help people you don't know. You try to be charitable. You try to be selfless. Your character matters.


You meddle incessantly into people's lives and are more worried about two women kissing than about children being abused. You find ways to make bad matters worse, and delight in punishment over rehabilitation.

See, two can play the false dichotomy game.
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November 25th, 2015 at 3:27:18 PM permalink
boymimbo
Member since: Mar 25, 2013
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Quote: Evenbob
Give it up, you can't even prove sin exists,
much less a need to be 'saved' from it.

Have you ever actually thought about all
this religious dogma you're so hung up on?
Listen to Nareed, as a member of the LGBT
community, he's experienced the love and
understanding of Jesus followers first hand.


As has many LGBT folks, in fact, in the USA, the climate against LGB by evangelicals is awful. Here in Canada it is much better.

Sin is an verb. It can't exist because it's an action. Just like "run" doesn't exist. It's an action!!!!

I have thought greatly about the "religious dogma" I'm stuck in and working on it everyday. Are you, or are you going to hang up your belief in reincarnation on a few University of Virginia studies that have been debunked. You have no problem debunking climate change with its 97% belief rate, but have no problem clinging to reincarnation with its 99+% disbelief rate.

Illogical.
November 25th, 2015 at 3:30:32 PM permalink
Evenbob
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: Nareed
My interpretation is that Jehovah is a cruel, sadistic SOB with a dominating personality and a massive inferiority complex. A bully, in other words.


That's the god of Jesus, in fact Jesus
is Jehovah, or so they think. You can't
read the OT and come away thinking
Jehovah is anything other than a cruel
sadist. Saying Yahweh is the god of
love, which is the flasehood FrG is always
pushing here, is a bad joke.

One of my favorite stories is where
some kids mock a guy for being
bald, and the loving god sends bears
to kill 42 of them. The OT is over
loaded with their loving god at
work, Jesus at work, actually. Aren't
they one and the same?
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December 14th, 2015 at 7:16:54 AM permalink
Nareed
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Did you ever notice how "monotheistic" religions keep around pagan rituals of idolatry and offerings?
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December 14th, 2015 at 1:43:24 PM permalink
Evenbob
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 146
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Quote: Nareed
Did you ever notice how "monotheistic" religions keep around pagan rituals of idolatry and offerings?


They had no choice, the people would
have walked if they hadn't. Even the big
ritual of the wafer being the flesh of Jesus
was completely stolen from the pagan
religions. The idolatry goes without saying,
pagan worship was totally about idolatry.

If you were to take a modern, well educated
person, who had never heard of the Catholic
Church, and show him around and explain
what the Catholics do, he would be dumbfounded.
He would think it's a prank. I've known about
it for decades and I still can't wrap my mind
around a lot of it.
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December 14th, 2015 at 1:49:32 PM permalink
FrGamble
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Excuse me if I chuckle a little bit at Evenbob's claims to know about Catholicism. Talk about a big prank, if you really did know about Catholicism and have been hiding it so well in your posts then the joke is on me and kudos to you sir.
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December 14th, 2015 at 2:12:39 PM permalink
Evenbob
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: FrGamble
Talk about a big prank, if you really did know about Catholicism


Nice try. Since I made friends with the
ex priest, I know a lot more than I did,
from an insiders point of view. His take
on it is, it's silly and outdated and a
complete waste of time. You know who
he is, ask him yourself. Now you'll say
he knows nothing about it either, right?

lol
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 15th, 2015 at 8:43:52 AM permalink
Nareed
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: FrGamble
Excuse me if I chuckle a little bit at Evenbob's claims to know about Catholicism. Talk about a big prank[..]


"I can't understand how an augur passes another without bursting into laughter." Overheard at a Roman forum.

It's a very old feeling.
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December 15th, 2015 at 12:49:07 PM permalink
FrGamble
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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As is the pot calling the kettle black.
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March 5th, 2018 at 10:53:58 PM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 188
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I never really noticed Julie Bowen until Modern Family. She's 48, so her younger roles are already behind her. (I assume)

You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
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