President Obama foreign travel very different from Bush

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March 27th, 2016 at 4:15:24 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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BTW: Norwegian is introducing new nonstop route to Las Vegas, as the airline opens reservation for Oslo Las Vegas route.
This 1 weekly Boeing 787-8 service will begin on 01NOV16.
DY7101 OSL 1345 1510 LAS 788 2
DY7102 LAS 1710 1155+1 OSL 788 2


You missed that part about beginning in November. I think 2 is a Monday.
March 27th, 2016 at 5:15:25 PM permalink
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You missed that part about beginning in November. I think 2 is a Monday.


Thanks, I did miss that. Actually, seeing the northern lights is definitely on my bucket list. I've thought about going up to Savalbard to see them. Hopefully they will have a direct flight there from Oslo.
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March 28th, 2016 at 1:43:09 AM permalink
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Oslo is a little closer than London
5120 miles McCarran Intl, Las Vegas, NV (LAS) to Oslo Airport, Oslo, NO (OSL)
5210 miles McCarran Intl, Las Vegas, NV (LAS) to Heathrow, London, GB (LHR)
5320 miles McCarran Intl, Las Vegas, NV (LAS) to Stockholm Airport, Stockholm, SE (STO)



They are having a special price of $395.30 round trip for the maiden flight (almost sold out)
Outbound : Las Vegas - Oslo Tuesday 1. Nov 2016 6:10 PM 11:55 AM +1 Duration: 9h 45m
Return : Oslo- Las Vegas Tuesday 8. Nov 2016 1:45 PM 3:10 PM Duration: 10h 25m


They also have flights from Oslo to Longyearbyen-Svalbard (3 hours each way ) for over $200 round trip, but they only fly Friday /Monday. It is a big chunk out of your one week visit (Tuesday to Tuesday). No way to do a 7 hour train trip to Stockholm and climb Norwegian mountains unless you make it a two week visit. You would have to spend two day in Oslo recovering from 9 time zones just to fly to Svalbard.

http://www.flytoget.no/
"Fly to Get" is a 36 mile rail route that goes at 130 mph from the airport to downtown Oslo. It is the fastest "airport to downtown" train in the world outside of Shanghai, but the Shanghai station is far from downtown. The Heathrow Express is about 100 mph. I think Narita Express is about 60 mph.

Paris has high speed rail station at Charles de Gaul airport to other cities, but the line to downtown completed in 1976 is a RER line and is much slower.
March 28th, 2016 at 9:06:27 AM permalink
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Looking forward to the final 10 international trips of the POTUS, he is returning to Poland for the third time for the NATO meeting. Other than that it looks like he is finishing out 8 years by more or less ignorning Eastern Europe. I am not sure why he is getting involved in British internal politics as far as BREXIT.

Saudi Arabia Riyadh April 21 President Obama is scheduled to attend a summit meeting with the Gulf Cooperation Council to discuss ways of addressing the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant and other regional conflicts.

United Kingdom London Windsor April urge British voters to vote for the United Kingdom to remain in the European Union. He will meet with British Prime Minister David Cameron and attend a private dinner with Queen Elizabeth II at Windsor Castle.

Germany Hanover April 2425 Hannover Messe, the world's largest industrial fair located in Hanover

Vietnam TBA May assist Vietnam in seeking maritime security and the freedom of navigation in the South China Sea, amidst its territorial disputes.

Japan Shima May 2627 President Obama is scheduled to travel to Japan to attend the 42nd G7 summit

Canada Ottawa June North American Leaders' Summit with Prime Minister Trudeau and Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto.[549]

Poland Warsaw July 89 NATO summit meeting in Warsaw.

China Hangzhou September 45 G-20 summit meeting

Laos Vientiane September East Asia Summit

Peru Lima November APEC summit meeting
March 28th, 2016 at 7:34:08 PM permalink
DRich
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I did a Travelocity search and see prices are pretty slow but no direct flights that I could find. As far as I know, the only direct flights to Europe from Vegas are to London and Frankfurt, both of which I've taken.


Once April and May get here there are a lot more direct flights. I booked Thomas Cook to Glasgow and was also looking at Norwegian Air which flies to Copenhagen and Stockholm from Vegas.
March 28th, 2016 at 8:10:31 PM permalink
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Norwegian Air which flies to Copenhagen and Stockholm from Vegas.

http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/carrier-begin-nonstop-las-vegas-service-stockholm-copenhagen

It's true if you don't want to wait for the nonstop to Oslo, you can go to Copenhagen or Stockholm. But there are no mountains near Stockholm,




My brother's friend where we stayed in Stockholm didn't have a car, but he did have a speedboat. You could walk from his apartment building and boat around the city and pull up to a pier in Old Town and have dinner. Very nice!


From Las Vegas on Norwegian Prices in USD
Jun
Jul
Aug
AAL Aalborg Denmark
422.00*
422.00*
386.00*
ALC Alicante Spain
532.60*
542.40*
375.70*
AMS Amsterdam Netherlands
325.10*
412.10*
344.60*
ATH Athens Greece
431.40*
485.50*
504.10*
BCN Barcelona Spain
458.60*
472.80*
385.80*
BGO Bergen Norway
436.60*
426.60*
349.60*
SXF Berlin-Schönefeld Germany
313.60*
389.10*
333.60*
BOJ Bourgas Bulgaria
456.70*
472.80*
491.50*
BUD Budapest Hungary
411.60*
427.10*
360.10*
CPH Copenhagen Denmark NONSTOP April 2015
309.90*
333.50*
297.50*
CHQ Crete-Chania Greece
412.40*
489.90*
478.80*
GOT Gothenburg-Landvetter Sweden
299.90*
386.90*
332.50*
LPA Gran Canaria Spain
545.20*
606.90*
449.10*
HEL Helsinki Finland
319.40*
406.40*
333.60*
KRK Krakow Poland
528.30*
344.60*
LLA Lulea Sweden
315.60*
392.20*
348.20*
MAD Madrid Spain
355.50*
442.50*
373.10*
AGP Malaga Spain
503.30*
502.70*
358.10*
PMI Mallorca-Palma Spain
536.40*
536.40*
391.40*
MMX Malmo Sweden
289.50*
376.50*
332.50*
NCE Nice France
552.40*
536.40*
375.70*
OSL Oslo-Gardermoen Norway NONSTOP in November 2016
311.20*
398.20*
354.20*
ORY Paris-Orly France
348.10*
411.60*
356.60*
FCO Rome-Fiumicino Italy
427.40*
474.30*
375.70*
SJJ Sarajevo Bosnia-Herzegovina
456.70*
569.00*
485.20*
PMO Sicily-Palermo Italy
594.30*
542.40*
504.10*
ARN Stockholm-Arlanda Sweden NONSTOP April 2015
238.70*
325.70*
281.70*
TRD Trondheim Norway
472.80*
426.60*
390.60*
UME Umea Sweden
299.90*
386.90*
342.90*
= Some flights in this period has transit stops
March 13th, 2017 at 9:06:10 PM permalink
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President Obama foreign trips


President GW Bush foreign trip destination


President Clinton foreign trip destination


President Trump does not want to emulate his four predecessors in foreign travel. He would like to attend the summit meetings and make some visits to the primary allies like UK and Japan. He has expressed an interest in meeting with Putin in Slovenia (Melania's birthplace) which at population 2 million has never been visited by a sitting US president.

The last five presidents have made a visit to Canada before April of their first year as a show of friendship. Trump seems to find such a trip a waste of time. GW Bush broke tradition by visiting Mexico first before going to Canada.
March 1011, 1981 Canada (Reagan)
February 10, 1989 Canada (HW Bush)
April 34, 1993 Canada (Clinton)
February 16, 2001 Mexico | April 2022, 2001 Canada (GW Bush)
February 19, 2009 Canada (Obama)

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Summit Meetings in 2017
Belgium Brussels May 2425 28th NATO summit
Italy Taormina May 2627 43rd G7 summit
Germany Hamburg July 78 2017 G20 Hamburg summit
Vietnam Đà Nẵng November 1112 APEC Vietnam 2017
Philippines November 13 12th East Asia Summit
March 13th, 2017 at 9:14:24 PM permalink
Nareed
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He would like to attend the summit meetings


Well, they have little choice but to let him in.

Most of the world doesn't want anything to do with him. And if you don't think that plays a part in Golden Boy's decisions, then you haven't been paying attention to his massive and fragile ego.

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He has expressed an interest in meeting with Putin in Slovenia (Melania's birthplace) which at population 2 million has never been visited by a sitting US president.


And won't be sooner than 2020.
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March 14th, 2017 at 4:24:16 AM permalink
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The last five presidents have made a visit to Canada before April of their first year as a show of friendship. Trump seems to find such a trip a waste of time. GW Bush broke tradition by visiting Mexico first before going to Canada.


As a businessman first and a politician second, Trump probably does not care to waste time on trips for the sake of trips. Hard to say how some of this works out. Canada is probably so used to a POTUS coming that it is nice but a hassle. OTOH, smaller countries can love and live for a POTUS visit. It makes them feel special, and many pull out all the stops.
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March 14th, 2017 at 5:19:59 AM permalink
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As a businessman first and a politician second, Trump probably does not care to waste time on trips for the sake of trips. Hard to say how some of this works out. Canada is probably so used to a POTUS coming that it is nice but a hassle. OTOH, smaller countries can love and live for a POTUS visit. It makes them feel special, and many pull out all the stops.


It's difficult to say, but the North American Leaders may feel slighted if every meeting is in Washington. The North American Leaders Summit (NALS) has never been firmly in the schedule after the first 5 years.

The so called "cowboy summit" between Vicente Fox and GW Bush at Fox's ranch was widely seen as symbolic for a first visit.

21 Presidential visits to Canada in 36 years
5 Ronald Reagan
4 George H. W. Bush
5 Bill Clinton
4 George W. Bush
3 Barack Obama

20 Presidential visits to Mexico in 36 years
6 Ronald Reagan
1 George H. W. Bush
2 Bill Clinton
6 George W. Bush
5 Barack Obama

North American Leaders Summit (NALS)

Year Country Dates City Host leader
2005 United States March 23 Waco, Texas George W. Bush
2006 Mexico March 31 Cancún, Quintana Roo Vicente Fox
2007 Canada August 2021 Montebello, Quebec Stephen Harper
2008 United States April 2122 New Orleans, Louisiana George W. Bush
2009 Mexico August 811 Guadalajara, Jalisco Felipe Calderon
2010 No meeting held
2011 No meeting held
2012 United States April 2 Washington, D.C. Barack Obama
2013 No meeting held
2014 Mexico February 19 Toluca, State of Mexico Enrique Peña Nieto
2015 No meeting held
2016 Canada June 29 Ottawa, Ontario Justin Trudeau
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