Trump vs Hillary 2016

Quote: Evenbob

For some reason you have fooled
yourself into believing polls have
some bearing on the law.

Get back to us when coal is actually growing rather then declining

Quote: Evenbob

Polls are meaningless,
Trump could be at 10% and still have
his pen to sign legislation into law.

Yeah.... cause he's been signing soooooo much legislation into law. LOL

His unpopularity has a lot to do with his inability to get anything accomplished.

But you'll keep celebrating 70 new coal mining jobs while the rest of America sees his Presidency for what it is, a huge failure.

Quote: ams288

Pssssh.

That was before this news about the new coal mine opening broke! Expect things to turn around now! He might even crack 40% approval soon!

Coal mining peaked in 1923, with 863,000 coal miners

It then dropped as rapidly as it first grew to a low of about 150,000, just before the oil crisis in 70's.

At that point, it grew to about 250,000, before declining again to about 50,000

in 2016, there were 260,000 workers in the Solar industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining_in_the_United_States

Quote: Dalex64

Coal mining peaked in 1923, with 863,000 coal miners

It then dropped as rapidly as it first grew to a low of about 150,000, just before the oil crisis in 70's.

At that point, it grew to about 250,000, before declining again to about 50,000

in 2016, there were 260,000 workers in the Solar industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining_in_the_United_States

Please stop posting facts from the "ultra lib" Wikipedia. Everyone knows they are in the tank for Hillary.

From now on, only statistics found at Fox Nation will be considered.

Quote: Dalex64

in 2016, there were 260,000 workers in the Solar industry.

Yet, get ready for it, solar provides less
than 1% of our power! And even by 2040
it will only be providing 3%! Coal is 30%
now, where do you think we should be
putting our money. Coal, obviously.

Energy providers last year:

Natural gas = 33.8%
Coal = 30.4%
Nuclear = 19.7%
Solar = 0.9%

Quote: Evenbob

Yet, get ready for it, solar provides less
than 1% of our power! And even by 2040
it will only be providing 3%! Coal is 30%
now, where do you think we should be
putting our money. Coal, obviously.

Energy providers last year:

Natural gas = 33.8%
Coal = 30.4%
Nuclear = 19.7%
Solar = 0.9%

What does the percent of power produced have to do with how many jobs the industry supports?

What is the relationship between them? Is it linear? If you tripled the number of coal jobs to 150,000, would you triple the output to 90%?

If the percent of power produced by solar went from just under 1% to 10%, would the number of jobs increase from 260,000 to 2.6 million?

Quote: Dalex64

Coal mining peaked in 1923, with 863,000 coal miners

It then dropped as rapidly as it first grew to a low of about 150,000, just before the oil crisis in 70's.

At that point, it grew to about 250,000, before declining again to about 50,000

in 2016, there were 260,000 workers in the Solar industry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_mining_in_the_United_States

There are millions employed in the conventional fuel industry. Your point is? Coal employment has been suppressed by government intervention and solar employment is expanded by government subsidies.

Quote: Dalex64

What does the percent of power produced have to do with how many jobs the industry supports?

The reason more aren't in coal is it's been
downsized to almost nothing. 250K in
solar that supplies less than 1% of our
power is just ridiculous, what a waste
of time and money.

Quote: Dalex64

What does the percent of power produced have to do with how many jobs the industry supports?

It is Econ101. Fewer coal jobs provide more power than more soar jobs, by a factor of almost 20. Solar jobs thus long term will pay less and solar provide less ROI. Lets not forget solar has tax credits propping it up.

Quote: AZDuffman

It is Econ101. Fewer coal jobs provide more power than more soar jobs, by a factor of almost 20. Solar jobs thus long term will pay less and solar provide less ROI. Lets not forget solar has tax credits propping it up.

That is way too simplistic a view. It is not econ 101.

You have to multiply the number of jobs by the average pay to figure out how much money an industry puts into the economy, not just say 'low pay jobs bad'

It is as bad as people looking for a roulette strategy that has a higher winning percentage, and thinking that is the only thing to consider when determining which is a better bet.

The less efficient an industry is in terms of worker productivity, the more workers it will have to hire to produce the same output.

The solar jobs out there also tend to be higher tech, and higher paying, than other industries, even the solar manufacturing jobs.

Tax credits are also common, and begged for by all business folks, across all industries. Oil has some of the largest subsidies out there. Do you not remember the huge uproar every time oil subsidies are discussed? But they make us competitive! They put people to work! But with solar, they are categorically a bad thing for some reason.