Revenge of the Dreamliner

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August 11th, 2017 at 1:50:23 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
Wide bodies on "short" transatlantic flights typically are more densely packed than JAL's. And I doubt an A321 neo LR could make it across the Pacific. but the point is taken: ULCCs are evil :)


For a widebody, I was surprised to see the top five routes by number of seats were all under 750 miles in Asia. On the other hand if you rank by number of seats, the shorter routes are bound to rank higher. Perhaps if they rated by seat miles it would be very different.





Route Q3 Q2 2017 % monthly change
Hanoi (HAN) - Ho Chi Minh City (SGN) 423908 388913 9.0%
Tokyo (HND) - Fukuoka (FUK) 252275 242810 3.9%
Tokyo (HND) - Osaka (ITM) 216470 320325 -32.4%
Tokyo (HND) - Seoul Gimpo (GMP) 200088 197784 1.2%
Tokyo (HND) - Hiroshima (HIJ) 174810 103540 68.8%
Bogota (BOG) - Madrid (MAD) 172464 170872 0.9%
London Heathrow (LHR) - Chicago (ORD) 166336 148934 11.7%
Bogota (BOG) - Santiago (CL) 137143 135408 1.3%
Tokyo (HND) - Matsuyama (MYJ) - 135340 143860 -5.9%
Doha (DOH) - Jakarta (CGK) 132334 138684 -4.6%
August 11th, 2017 at 2:13:12 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Its how many sardines, how much fuel, how much take off and climbing fuel versus how much straight and level fuel. Then compare that with how long a flight and how that would impair a turnaround flight to somewhere. ULCCs don't want to fly empty seats or excess fuel but might be willing to if it gives them an additional leg to fly.
November 12th, 2017 at 2:38:53 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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The B787-10 has a fairly limited set of orders compared to B787-8/9.
49 Singapore Airlines (no orders for B787-8/9)
30 Etihad Airways
18 EVA Air (no orders for B787-8/9)
14 United Airlines
12 British Airways
8 Air France–KLM
3 All Nippon Airways
...
25 Air Lease Corporation
8 Unidentified Customer(s)
4 GECAS

Emirates is working on an order for 40 of this variation with no orders for the two smaller variations.

If I could speculate, Emirates has started two Fifth freedom flights to the USA
Milan MXP to New York JFK
Athens to New York (EWR)

There has been a lot of concern that they may start more such flights. Alitalia has 26 wide body planes, but has been in bankruptcy for several months.Alitalia flies from Rome to BOS, LAX, MIA, JFK and seasonally to ORD.



I imagine using a B777-300ER or an A380 makes such flights, which already controversial, even more so.Perhaps the smaller 787 may be more suitable for originating such flights.
November 12th, 2017 at 2:47:30 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Emirates is working on an order for 40 of this variation with no orders for the two smaller variations.


According to Airways News Magazine, the order's been placed, and it includes the right to downsize at least part of it to the -9 version.

There's still much loud buzz that Emirates will also order 36-38 new A380s. But this will likely require Airbus to buy back several older A380s. I'd say that's a terrible deal, except for the alternative.
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November 12th, 2017 at 4:04:19 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Nareed
There's still much loud buzz that Emirates will also order 36-38 new A380s. But this will likely require Airbus to buy back several older A380s. I'd say that's a terrible deal, except for the alternative.


Emirates can control everything about that program. Airbus may be concerned about selling 36-38 new A380s, but they are also concerned about Emirates slowing down the delivery of their current orders so that production drops below one per month.

233 Airbus A380-861 A6-API Etihad Airways 24. Mar 2017 Active F-WWAK
197 Airbus A380-861 A7-APH Qatar Airways 05. May 2017 Active F-WWAS
237 Airbus A380-861 A6-APJ Etihad Airways 24. May 2017 Active F-WWAR

221 Airbus A380-861 A6-EUI Emirates 21. Feb 2017 Active F-WWAF
228 Airbus A380-842 A6-EUP Emirates 24. Mar 2017 Active F-WWSC
229 Airbus A380-842 A6-EUQ Emirates 12. May 2017 Active F-WWSF
241 Airbus A380-842 A6-EUX Emirates 28. Jul 2017 Active F-WWSG
242 Airbus A380-842 A6-EUY Emirates 29. Aug 2017 Active F-WWSX
244 Airbus A380-842 A6-EUZ Emirates 29. Sep 2017 Active F-WWAT
236 Airbus A380-842 A6-EUT Emirates 02. Nov 2017 Active F-WWAP
239 Airbus A380-842 A6-EUV Emirates 06. Nov 2017 Active F-WWSB 100th A380

243 Airbus A380-841 9V-SKU Singapore Airlines 06. Oct 2017 Stored F-WWAQ (What;s up with that?)
Is Singapore Air delaying delivery of some A380s? Are they trying to get rid of the old ones first?

Other than Emirates only 10 A380s are likely to be delivered
5 : SINGAPORE AIRLINES
2 : QATAR AIRWAYS
3 : All Nippon Airlines

It looks like SA planes are being finished but are being stored instead of delivered.


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