Calexit

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Never is going to happen.

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Right wing paranoid fantasies are every bit as weird as other conspiracy theories. I tend to ignore them,

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Trudeau victory prompts ‘Wexit’ talk in Canada’s West

Quebec in the east, oil regions in the west. Not unlike the USA, Canada seems to be a couple ultra-liberal areas out of step with the rest of the nation.

In centuries past, this kind of thing would simply cause a civil war or else that part of the country would break off. Since the late 1800s and far more since the end of WWI, this does not happen much, the breakup of the USSR excepted. Wexit and Calexit are not the only 2 places. It really might be time for the UN to recognize processes for this to happen peaceful before it comes to violence.

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Never going to happen there or here. People love to talk about it. But, this is what caused the Civil War in the past.

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Never going to happen there or here. People love to talk about it. But, this is what caused the Civil War in the past.

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Saw a story yesterday, on the “Greater Idaho” movement. Part of Oregoners Oreganos?, want to move the state line 200 miles west and become part of Idaho.

Personally, I think all of Oregon should vote on it. For instance if a state a has rich resource in one part of the state, why should it give that up just because the people in that area want to take, say a tax advantage for instance in the next state over. We could certainly benefit and impoverish many areas working on the premise of people voting themselves over the state line, instead of the usual method of just selling and moving.

Anyway state lines have been moved before. Apparently Congress has final approval.

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Texas Nationalist Movement leader Daniel Miller said the United States has a "deep-seated sickness," which means there is a chance "it either blows up or it invites autocratic reign from some tyrannical government." The warning was delivered in the most recent episode of his Texas News Podcast released on Wednesday.

Miller was speaking in response to comments Phil McGraw, better known as "Dr. Phil," made when the pair debated Texan independence on his Dr. Phil Primetime show, which was broadcast in late July.

Texan nationalists have scored a series of victories in recent months amid ongoing tensions between local authorities and the federal government, particularly over illegal immigration and LGBTQ+ rights. In May the Republican Party of Texas elected supporters of a referendum on Texan independence as its new chair and vice chair, then the following month included an independence referendum call in its 2024 Legislative Priorities and Platform document.
During the concluding monologue at the end of his show on state secession, McGraw expressed skepticism about the prospect of any state successfully leaving the Union.

"The chances of seceding successfully, with a functional government, infrastructure, medical and educational facilities etc., to me, is just beyond belief," he said. "Does anybody believe the new country will not be plagued by the same selfish whiney complaining career victims that will squawk even louder for any reason or no reason at all?"

Miller hit back at McGraw: "While he publicly came out and essentially condemned what we're talking about, talking about, 'oh it's going to be too difficult, you'll have problems and it doesn't solve anything.' He gave no real proof, but more than that his solution was essentially for 400 million Americans to wake up tomorrow and observe the golden rule.

"He suggested that 400 million Americans could set aside their differences and work harmoniously overnight, and I've got to tell you, this idea is not only unrealistic, perhaps delusional, but it's also very, very dangerous."

Describing the tensions he believes exist in American society Miller added: "You see when you have such a deep-seated sickness, this pressure internally, these competing world views, these deep-seated issues and you ignore them. It is a recipe for disaster.

"One of two things happens. It either blows up or it invites autocratic reign from some tyrannical government to keep its hand on those competing realities. That's the danger in thinking one day everybody's going to wake up and we're going to link pinkies and sing Kumbaya. It's just not the reality. The reality is Texans are suffering."

Speaking to Newsweek, Miller argued a peaceful breakup of the United States is the only way to avoid "American Balkanization."

He said: "When you have people with vastly different political, cultural and economic worldviews that are being forced into the false reality of being 'one people' living under a single system of centralized governance, those differences can create explosive political pressure.

"The United States has been on this path for decades, and we recognize this. This is why we have pursued TEXIT and worked for Texas and all other states to have this conversation about states withdrawing from the union. A peaceful political separation is the only way to avoid the inevitable calamity of an American Balkanization."

Newsweek contacted Phil McGraw for comment via an email to his company Merit Street Media.

A survey conducted for Newsweek earlier this year found that in a hypothetical independence referendum, 23 percent of Texans would back secession, against 67 percent who would vote to remain "a state within the United States."