Recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Isreal

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December 8th, 2017 at 5:24:35 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Pacomartin
But it is not really a surprise as it was a major promise of his campaign. You can say one thing about Trump, he is true to his campaign promises.


I'll grant him that too. He locked in the Christian conservative vote with the Jerusalem pledge. Clever move. Those opposed probably wouldn't have voted from him anyway after the Muslim ban campaign promise.
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December 8th, 2017 at 5:29:53 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin
But it is not really a surprise as it was a major promise of his campaign. You can say one thing about Trump, he is true to his campaign promises.


It was a campaign promise of Ford,
Carter, Bush sr and jr, Clinton, Obama.
None of them had any intention of
doing it. Pelosi voted yes for it in
1995. Trump is politically naive, he
thinks you have to make your promises
come true.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 8th, 2017 at 5:44:07 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: Evenbob
It was a campaign promise of Ford,
Carter, Bush sr and jr, Clinton, Obama.


Can I have a source on that?
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December 8th, 2017 at 5:54:10 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Wizard
Can I have a source on that?


Clinton lashed out at Congress only minutes after the vote, accusing lawmakers of putting the peace process in jeopardy.

It sure doesn't seem like Clinton was happy. Only a week later on the evening of 4 November 1995 Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by Yigal Amir, a right-wing extremist.

Quote: Friday October 27, 1995

Israeli and Jewish leaders laud embassy bill, but Clinton upset
MATTHEW DORF
Jewish Telegraphic Agency

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan (D-N.Y.) called this week's votes in Congress to move the U.S. Embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem the righting of "an absurdity which has endured for nearly half a century." Tuesday's Senate and House votes follow a decade-long battle spearheaded by Moynihan to recognize a united Jerusalem as Israel's capital. The legislation, on the eve of official festivities here to celebrate Jerusalem 3000, was welcomed by Israel and most American Jewish groups but condemned by the Palestinians and President Clinton, who said its passage would jeopardize the peace process.

Israel, which has claimed Jerusalem as its capital since 1950, annexed the eastern portion of the city after the 1967 Six Day War. The Palestinians seek eastern Jerusalem as the capital of a hoped-for future state. With overwhelming bipartisan support, the Senate passed a vote 93-5 requiring the State Department to move the embassy by May 31, 1999. Hours later, the House of Representatives passed the measure, by a 374-37 vote, with five abstentions. The votes mark the first time the United States has moved to recognize with the force of law a united Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

California Sens. Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein, both Democrats, voted in favor of the bill. All Northern California House of Representatives members voted in favor of it, except Ron Dellums (D-Berkeley) and George Miller (D-Martinez).

The bill declares that Jerusalem "is the capital of the state of Israel" and "should remain an undivided city in which the rights of every ethnic and religious group are protected." The Senate and House votes preceded visits by Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and Jerusalem Mayor Ehud Olmert to Washington Wednesday to celebrate the 3000th anniversary of King David's declaration of Jerusalem as the capital of the Jews.

Anticipating charges that the bill would interfere with the peace process, Moynihan said, "It is inconceivable that Israel would agree to any proposal in which Jerusalem did not remain the capital of Israel."

Aiming to win the support of the administration and lawmakers who were concerned that the move could disrupt the peace process at an especially critical time, sponsors of the measure agreed to allow the president to postpone the move by renewable six-month intervals.

But despite the compromise, Clinton lashed out at Congress only minutes after the vote, accusing lawmakers of putting the peace process in jeopardy. The president's vehement reaction surprised supporters of the legislation, who had expected a more favorable response from the White House.

Clinton, however, will not veto the legislation. Instead he will let the bill become law without his signature, according to his spokesman, Mike McCurry.

"A step such as this could hinder the peace process. I will not let this happen and will use the legislation's waiver authority to avoid damage to the peace process," Clinton said in a statement.

But Clinton could not exercise that decision until 1998, well into what would be his second term if he were re-elected. Clinton would have vetoed the legislation under different circumstances, McCurry said.

The measure directs the State Department to set aside $25 million in 1996 and $75 million in 1997 for the construction and other costs of moving the embassy. Within 30 days of the measure becoming law, Secretary of State Warren Christopher must submit a report to Congress that includes a timetable for construction and a cost estimate.

Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres welcomed the move. "We appreciate very much the act that was taken by the American Congress," he said. "If there is one issue that Israel is united around it is united Jerusalem, as the capital of Israel."

Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin concurred. "Jerusalem is our eternal capital. It will always be that way," he said.

The Palestinian Authority did not condemn the law, as had been expected. But Faisal Husseini, the Palestine Liberation Organization's top official in Jerusalem, blasted the move, saying that it could harm Israeli-Arab peace efforts.

Palestinian and Israel negotiators are scheduled to complete talks on the final status of Jerusalem in 1999.

Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (R-Kan.), Dole, who spearheaded the latest senate bill, said, "This legislation is not about the peace process, it is about recognizing Israel's capital.

In fact, workers have already begun to clear a site in Talpiot in western Jerusalem, which the United States has presumably purchased for a future embassy.

Many American Jewish groups supported the goal of the legislation but withheld endorsement of the original bill that required groundbreaking to begin in 1996, fearing that it would impact the peace process and insert partisanship into the status of Jerusalem.

After the vote, however, most Jewish organizations expressed support for the bill. AIPAC, the pro-Israel lobby, which aggressively lobbied members to support the measure, hailed its passage, as did Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations.

The American Jewish Committee, however, did not support the legislation, concerned that it would harm the peace talks. And the Zionist Organization of America criticized Congress for dropping provisions requiring construction to start next year.
December 8th, 2017 at 5:55:39 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: Pacomartin
But it is not really a surprise as it was a major promise of his campaign. You can say one thing about Trump, he is true to his campaign promises.


Not all of them.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
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December 8th, 2017 at 9:15:16 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Similar law in Texas. No business with state if boycotting: http://theantimedia.org/aclu-sues-arizona-law-banning-boycotts-israel/
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December 21st, 2017 at 5:15:19 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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UN defies Trump, rejects US recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli capital by 128-9 The Times of Israel
Nine countries — the US, Israel, Togo, Micronesia, Guatemala, Nauru, Palau, Marshall Islands and Honduras — voted against the resolution.

There were 35 abstentions, including a number of countries that had been widely expected to support the move, such as Colombia, Mexico, Malawi and Rwanda.
A further 21 countries did not vote at all.

By abstaining, Hungary, Croatia, Latvia, Romania and the Czech Republic broke European Union consensus on the vote. The EU had previously vehemently rejected any attempt to change Jerusalem’s status in the absence of a final peace deal between Israelis and Palestinians.

Haley tweeted after the vote that “65 countries refused to condemn the United States” — totaling the no votes, the abstentions and the no-shows.

9+35+21=65
  1. United States 24 October 1945
  2. Israel 11 May 1949
  3. Guatemala 21 November 1945
  4. Honduras 17 December 1945
  5. Marshall Islands 17 September 1991
  6. Federated States of Micronesia 17 September 1991
  7. Nauru 14 September 1999
  8. Palau 15 December 1994
  9. Togo 20 September 1960
    ------ abstain
  10. Antigua and Barbuda 11 November 1981
  11. Argentina 24 October 1945
  12. Australia 1 November 1945
  13. The Bahamas 18 September 1973
  14. Benin 20 September 1960
  15. Bhutan 21 September 1971
  16. Bosnia and Herzegovina 22 May 1992
  17. Cameroon 20 September 1960
  18. Canada 9 November 1945
  19. Colombia 5 November 1945
  20. Croatia 22 May 1992
  21. Czech Republic 19 January 1993
  22. Dominican Republic 24 October 1945
  23. Equatorial Guinea 12 November 1968
  24. Fiji 13 October 1970
  25. Haiti 24 October 1945
  26. Hungary 14 December 1955
  27. Jamaica 18 September 1962
  28. Kiribati 14 September 1999
  29. Latvia 17 September 1991
  30. Lesotho 17 October 1966
  31. Malawi 1 December 1964
  32. Mexico 7 November 1945
  33. Panama 13 November 1945
  34. Paraguay 24 October 1945
  35. Philippines 24 October 1945
  36. Poland 24 October 1945
  37. Romania 14 December 1955
  38. Rwanda 18 September 1962
  39. Solomon Islands 19 September 1978
  40. South Sudan 14 July 2011
  41. Trinidad and Tobago 18 September 1962
  42. Tuvalu 5 September 2000
  43. Uganda 25 October 1962
  44. Vanuatu 15 September 1981
    ------ no vote
  45. Central African Republic 20 September 1960
  46. Democratic Republic of the Congo 20 September 1960
  47. El Salvador 24 October 1945
  48. Georgia (country) 31 July 1992
  49. Guinea-Bissau 17 September 1974
  50. Kenya 16 December 1963
  51. Mongolia 27 October 1961
  52. Myanmar 19 April 1948
  53. Moldova 2 March 1992
  54. Saint Lucia 18 September 1979
  55. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 16 September 1980
  56. Samoa 15 December 1976
  57. San Marino 2 March 1992
  58. São Tomé and Príncipe 16 September 1975
  59. Sierra Leone 27 September 1961
  60. Swaziland 24 September 1968
  61. East Timor 27 September 2002
  62. Tonga 14 September 1999
  63. Turkmenistan 2 March 1992
  64. Ukraine 24 October 1945
  65. Zambia 1 December 1964
December 28th, 2017 at 2:14:45 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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There are approximately 9,000 Jews living in Guatemala today out of a total population of 16,548,168 people (June 2016)

Guatemala and Honduras are the only 2 out of 7 countries that voted with the USA and Israel against the UN resolution that are one of the 87 countries that have embassies in Israel. Guatemala is the first country to follow the USA in moving their Israeli embassy to Jerusalem

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5213957/Guatemala-Jerusalem-embassy-sovereign-decision.html

The current Jewish population in Mexico mostly consists of those who have descended from immigrants from the 19th and early 20th centuries with nationwide totals estimated between 40,000 and 50,000, about 75% of whom are in Mexico City.

The Mexican Embassy is on the 5th floor of the 21 story Trade Tower. The Embassy of Italy also has their offices in the same tower.


I am not sure why Mexico didn't vote against the resolution instead of just abstaining.
December 28th, 2017 at 6:25:16 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Guatemala and Honduras are the only 2 out of 7 countries that voted with the USA and Israel against the UN resolution that are one of the 87 countries that have embassies in Israel. Guatemala is the first country to follow the USA in moving their Israeli embassy to Jerusalem


And with Guatemala on your side, you can take over the world in days! :)


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I am not sure why Mexico didn't vote against the resolution instead of just abstaining.


Mexico has a long diplomatic tradition of abstaining in most UN votes, as well as keeping neutral positions in most international matters. This changed a bit under Fox, who wanted a more active role overseas, but his successors have not kept it up.
If Trump where half as smart as he thinks he is, he'd be twice as smart as he really is.
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