Happy Easter!

BTW, today is Yom Hashoah, Israel’s
Holocaust Remembrance Day. It's
when we remember that the Jews god,
Yahweh, deserted them and let his
own people die by the millions.

If anyone, especially EB, wants to prove they absolutely disbelieve in god, I'll give you $10 for your soul.

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If anyone, especially EB, wants to prove they absolutely disbelieve in god, I'll give you $10 for your soul.

$100 and it's yours. I don't sell
anything for 10 bucks.

Quote: Evenbob

You have two choices here. Either god
exists and is a monster because he lets
things like this happen to beings he
supposedly 'loves'. Or there is no god
at all.

Only 2 choices, really?

What about a God who gives us hope when we suffer and gives us eternal life. The only monster you seem to choose is a monstrous nature that has the last word nullifying all meaning and purpose to life. I choose to reject the idea that life is just an uncaring meaningless existence. The thing is by even asking this question you also reject the idea of a monstrous nature. By being deeply hurt by the suffering of children and the Jews you are boldly proclaiming that it should be different. That life has more meaning and that death and sorrow do not get the last word. You are more of a theist than you realize.

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I choose the
obvious, there is no god because all
the evidence points to that conclusion.

What is this evidence you speak of?

Quote: Evenbob

BTW, today is Yom Hashoah, Israel’s
Holocaust Remembrance Day. It's
when we remember that the Jews god,
Yahweh, deserted them and let his
own people die by the millions.

Why are you so mean and disrespectful? God would never desert anyone. God suffers with His people and comforts them with everlasting life and justice against those who commit such evil sins.

Quote: FrGamble

What about a God who gives us

And blah blah blah. You can make
up hundreds of gods qualities
when he's a complete fiction. The
truth is, he does nothing to help
anybody, and when a random chance
happens of course god gets the
credit. But never the blame, why is that.

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God would never desert anyone.

He sure deserted the Jews in
the Holocaust. They prayed
and prayed, even had organized
group praying, and it did no
good. Many who survived lost
their faith entirely. Reality
will do that to a person.

Quote: FrGamble

Studies about prayer, do you still not realize how silly that sounds?

Not to those that paid for them,
some cost millions and lasted
years.

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Because while I believe in ghosts and demons it doesn't interest me all that much.

Evidence and proof for your beliefs
never mean much to you, or so I've
noticed.

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Silly me, I thought juries and religions were about truth.

Silly you is correct. Juries are about one
side or the other winning. Religions are
about making a small priest class powerful
and usually wealthy. Your own Church is
worth so much it's incalculable in dollars.

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Do you think you can't fathom the idea of true testimony

All testimony is true to the person
giving it, unless they're outright
lying. Ed's testimony is just as
valuable as yours, word for word.

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think in that time more people were helped by individuals or gov't

The gov't helped nobody, so any small
help there was came from elsewhere.
People starved to death at one time
in this country.

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want to live addicted to drugs, sleeping in a car, exposed to the elements, vulnerable to abuse and violence every day?

They absolutely want it, that's a documented
fact. Many homeless choose the lifestyle,
go figure.

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No Bob you did not! You have told me over and over again that you would never pry into their personal lives..

If you see people every day for years,
you eventually get their stories without
asking anything. Just listen to them talk
to each other. I was on a first name basis
with many of them, they loved the streets.
Not 100% of the time, but most of it.

How dare you say that prayer did nothing? You don't know anything about which you speak.

Quote: FrGamble

How dare you say that prayer did nothing?

I say it pretty easily when you consider
it did nothing to end the Holocaust.

If God answers prayer, why didn’t he answer the prayers of the faithful Jews during the Holocaust? Or of the faithful Christians who also suffered torment and death at the hands of the Nazis? If God is concerned to answer my little prayers about my daily life, why didn’t he answer my and others’ big prayers when millions were being slaughtered.. We live in a world in which a child dies every five seconds of starvation. Every five seconds. Every minute there are twenty-five people who die because they do not have clean water to drink. Every hour 700 people die of malaria. Where is God in all this?

God is where he always is, nowhere
to be found. We live in a physical
world, not a spiritual one.