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October 11th, 2021 at 8:25:14 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: AZDuffman
The Duster was based on the Dart chassis and never came in a convertible. Do you men a Challenger convertible?


It was a Dodge is all I remember.
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October 11th, 2021 at 12:56:28 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
But even today the family SUV is about the size of the family wagon back in the day. Many Americans just need that size and utility.

I agree that there is little use for a sedan today. Most people need a rear door.

I think manufacturers hobbled the cars so that people would move up to SUVs.

The old Subaru "sports wagon" that we have (model year 2007 has a 6.3" ground clearance. They have since dropped that down to 5.1" ground clearance so that people would be more apt to move up to the SUV with 8.1" ground clearance built on the same platform. The SUV has identical cargo volume as the sports wagon and an identical engine. Throw in some plastic wheel arch cladding and a black rocker spoiler along with 1" larger diameter tires and a better alloy wheel and you have a $3000 price increase. The Subaru Crosstrek SUV is outselling the Subaru Impreza which comes in sedan or hatchback by over 5 to 1.

Correct from 6.3' to 6.3"
October 11th, 2021 at 1:23:34 PM permalink
DRich
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Quote: Pacomartin
I agree that there is little use for a sedan today. Most people need a rear door.

I think manufacturers hobbled the cars so that people would move up to SUVs.

The old Subaru "sports wagon" that we have (model year 2007 has a 6.3' ground clearance. They have since dropped that down to 5.1" ground clearance so that people would be more apt to move up to the SUV with 8.1" ground clearance built on the same platform. The SUV has identical cargo volume as the sports wagon and an identical engine. Throw in some plastic wheel arch cladding and a black rocker spoiler along with 1" larger diameter tires and a better alloy wheel and you have a $3000 price increase. The Subaru Crosstrek SUV is outselling the Subaru Impreza which comes in sedan or hatchback by over 5 to 1.


That's crazy, I couldn't imagine a passenger car selling at all with a six foot three inch ground clearance. LOL
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October 11th, 2021 at 2:13:41 PM permalink
kenarman
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Quote: Pacomartin
I agree that there is little use for a sedan today. Most people need a rear door.

I think manufacturers hobbled the cars so that people would move up to SUVs.

The old Subaru "sports wagon" that we have (model year 2007 has a 6.3' ground clearance. They have since dropped that down to 5.1" ground clearance so that people would be more apt to move up to the SUV with 8.1" ground clearance built on the same platform. The SUV has identical cargo volume as the sports wagon and an identical engine. Throw in some plastic wheel arch cladding and a black rocker spoiler along with 1" larger diameter tires and a better alloy wheel and you have a $3000 price increase. The Subaru Crosstrek SUV is outselling the Subaru Impreza which comes in sedan or hatchback by over 5 to 1.


Generally speaking lowering the clearance lowers the drag which should increase mileage. Likely Subaru was trying to increase mileage.
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October 11th, 2021 at 2:25:34 PM permalink
missedhervee
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Quote: Pacomartin
I agree that there is little use for a sedan today. Most people need a rear door.


Did you mean to say "coupe" instead of "sedan?"
October 11th, 2021 at 2:31:04 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: missedhervee
Did you mean to say "coupe" instead of "sedan?"


I think he means 3 or 5 door vehicles.
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October 11th, 2021 at 4:32:45 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Station wagon in the automobile sense is first recorded 1929, from earlier use for a horse-drawn conveyance that took passengers and their luggage to and from railroad stations (1894).

Quote: AZDuffman
I think he means 3 or 5 door vehicles.


Subaru used to call the 5 door vehicle a "sports wagon" up to 2007. Then the term "wagon" and also the term "hatchback" became deadly advertising words. Now they just call it a "5-door" which has no good or bad connotation at all.

I used the word "rear doors" which I now realize is vague since that could refer to backseat doors.

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Ford/Lincoln has eliminated "cars" almost completely from their line-up. September 2021 sales of Ford/Lincoln in the US were 156,614 vehicles, but cars were:
42 Fusion
10 GT
6 MKZ
14 Continental
2,728 Mustang

This electric vehicle is classified as an SUV
1,578 Mustang Mach-E
October 13th, 2021 at 1:11:50 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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I think that General Motors may have too many brands. Each of the four brands has one dominant model which is the lion's share of sale (percentages from 3rd quarter 2021).
Chevrolet 42.7% Silverado pickup truck
GMC 54.3% Sierra pickup truck
Buick 52.2% Encore compact SUV
Cadillac 45.0% Escalade luxury car

It does seem as if a luxury brand is required for every manufacturer. Ford has Lincoln, Toyota has Lexus, Honda has Acura, Nissan has Infiniti, Hyundai has Genesis.

Would General Motors have better sales if there was only two brands, GM and Cadillac? GM would be Chevrolet, GMC, and Buick.
October 13th, 2021 at 3:35:57 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin

Would General Motors have better sales if there was only two brands, GM and Cadillac? GM would be Chevrolet, GMC, and Buick.


Not really. You do not shrink yourself to profitability.

GM did have too many brands, not they are in decent shape. Cadillac is iconic even if GM has destroyed so much of its status. Chevrolet is a solid, entry level brand. Buick survives because it is iconic in China and needs to remain in the USA to keep that street cred there. GMC is both a higher line truck and companion brand to keep USA Buick dealers profitable.

Infiniti is dying as a brand and may soon be demoted to "companion brand" at a troubled Nissan. In Canada they already eliminated the separate showroom requirement. Genesis will probably remain a companion brand for decades to forever, simply not the volume to make it its own.
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October 13th, 2021 at 11:48:02 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
Not really. You do not shrink yourself to profitability.


You may be correct, but Toyota seems to do sell more vehicles fewer models and very few models with under 16,00 sales per quarter

1,857,883 Toyota - nine months of 2021
1,777,483 General Motors - nine months of 2021

  1. 313,447 RAV4
  2. 256,769 CAMRY
  3. 217,727 COROLLA
  4. 207,564 HIGHLANDER
  5. 200,631 TACOMA
  6. 105,475 4RUNNER
  7. 83,447 SIENNA
  8. 65,013 TUNDRA
  9. 51,038 PRIUS
  10. 50,493 VENZA
  11. 32,388 C-HR
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  12. 15,967 AVALON discontinued
  13. 6,111 SEQUOIA may get new generation
  14. 5,825 SUPRA sports car with BMW
  15. 3,665 LAND CRUISER discontinued in US
  16. 2,268 MIRAI fuel cell
  17. 1,044 GR86 sports car with SUBARU awaiting new generation
  18. 205 YARIS discontinued
  19. 1 FJ CRUISER discontinued
  • 238,805 Lexus

  1. 414,389 Chevrolet Silverado
  2. 191,186 GMC Sierra
  3. 151,110 Chevrolet Equinox *
  4. 94,198 Chevrolet Traverse
  5. 75,148 Chevrolet Tahoe
  6. 73,898 Chevrolet Trailblazer
  7. 61,179 Buick Encore GX *
  8. 59,743 GMC Yukon
  9. 55,679 GMC Acadia
  10. 51,555 Chevrolet Colorado
  11. 50,339 Chevrolet Blazer
  12. 43,434 GMC Terrain *
  13. 41,306 Chevrolet Trax
  14. 37,164 Buick Envision
  15. 36,589 Chevrolet Express
  16. 34,183 Chevrolet Suburban
  17. 33,336 Buick Enclave
  18. 32,155 Chevrolet Malibu
  19. 24,803 Chevrolet Bolt EV / Bolt EUV
  20. 24,748 Chevrolet Corvette
  21. 23,007 Chevrolet Spark
  22. 19,267 Buick Encore
  23. 17,970 GMC Canyon
    .
  24. 15,084 Chevrolet Camaro
  25. 13,506 GMC Savana
  26. 4,141 Chevrolet LOW CAB FORWARD
  27. 1,563 Chevrolet Sonic discontinued
  28. 741 Chevrolet Impala discontinued
  29. 57 Chevrolet Cruze discontinued
  30. 39 Buick Regal discontinued
  31. 18 Buick LaCrosse discontinued
  32. 16 Chevrolet Volt discontinued
  • 95,925 Cadillac


* I think there is too much duplication

2022 Buick Encore GX Compact sport utility vehicle MSRP: From $24,200


2022 Chevrolet Equinox Compact sport utility vehicle MSRP: From $25,800


2022 GMC Terrain Compact sport utility vehicle MSRP: From $27,900
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