The Trump Arrest thread

Quote: ams288

The country is doing even finer under Biden. And will continue to do so.

San Fran‘s issues have nothing to do with Biden’s policies. It’s just a rightie boogeyman.

Not Biden’s per se, but 100% liberal Democrat policies. Empower the homeless. Free the criminally charged. Ignore ‘minor’ crimes like shoplifting. Take money from taxpayers to pay the non working class. Consider the idiocy of reparations. Punish sales of high price homes. Flood the state with illegals. What you childishly call a boogeyman are the FACTS of Democrat party leadership.

Quote: SOOPOO

Not Biden’s per se, but 100% liberal Democrat policies. Empower the homeless. Free the criminally charged. Ignore ‘minor’ crimes like shoplifting. Take money from taxpayers to pay the non working class. Consider the idiocy of reparations. Punish sales of high price homes. Flood the state with illegals. What you childishly call a boogeyman are the FACTS of Democrat party leadership.

Uh not really. Biden is the leader of the Democratic Party and he doesn’t support most of those things. And look around, the country is doing great, to the chagrin of the GOP who wants America to suffer.

I don't understand the right's obsession with San Franscisco and Cali. It is one of the safest cities by murder rate and violent crime. Yes, there has been a relative spike in property crime the last two years, but I will take this over violent crime (which is going down).

I personally think it is a fun city and love visiting (and hope to at least once more this summer.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
(Spoiler the 10 most dangerous cities are in red states with one exception, Newark, NJ).

The simple reality is Red States are more dangerous (as are cities within Red States.) Looking at violent crime overall (and murder specifically). I don't really care if some drug idiot shoplifted Skittles at 711 (yes arrest him and throw the book at him, fine by me.) But, this is not something I concern myself with when looking at the overall safety of a city (especially if I do not have property within the city and am just visiting.)

San Francisco is simply not a dangerous city for violence. Is it dangerous to run a business there? You can maybe make an argument that you will have more losses than some other cities (but less than others), but this is not a major safety factor for tourists. However, even looking just at property crimes (burglary, arson, and vehicle theft), San Franscisco is solidly the middle of the pack, not overly terrible compared to some other cities. Now, I am sure some conspiracy theorists will say this is because the police do not arrest for minor crimes as they should, but we can only go off the data, not speculation, and the crime stats do not lie. And, even if San Franscico was the worst City for property crime (it is not, not even close), I would take a city with terrible property crime over violent crime any day.

The reality is cities in Red States have much worse gun crime and violent crime than cities in blue states (this is well established). Blue States are simply safer. And, San Franscico specifically has very low violent crime including gun crime.

Quote: ams288

Uh not really. Biden is the leader of the Democratic Party and he doesn’t support most of those things. And look around, the country is doing great, to the chagrin of the GOP who wants America to suffer.

The country is doing great? Not if you are the Mayor of NYC complaining they can’t handle the tens of thousands of asylum seekers. Not if you are businesses trying to operate in San Francisco or Portland. Not if you are a retiree seeing your nest egg withering away due to inflation. Not if you care about adding trillions each year to the national debt.

The country is doing great if you are a single gay man preparing for your next casino paid for cruise!

But I am not as much anti-Biden as just anti-Democrat. Just Biden isn’t either strong enough or coherent enough to effectively fight off the losers to the left of him.

Quote: Gandler

I don't understand the right's obsession with San Franscisco and Cali. It is one of the safest cities by murder rate and violent crime. Yes, there has been a relative spike in property crime the last two years, but I will take this over violent crime (which is going down).

I personally think it is a fun city and love visiting (and hope to at least once more this summer.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
(Spoiler the 10 most dangerous cities are in red states with one exception, Newark, NJ).

The simple reality is Red States are more dangerous (as are cities within Red States.) Looking at violent crime overall (and murder specifically). I don't really care if some drug idiot shoplifted Skittles at 711 (yes arrest him and throw the book at him, fine by me.) But, this is not something I concern myself with when looking at the overall safety of a city (especially if I do not have property within the city and am just visiting.)

San Francisco is simply not a dangerous city for violence. Is it dangerous to run a business there? You can maybe make an argument that you will have more losses than some other cities (but less than others), but this is not a major safety factor for tourists. However, even looking just at property crimes (burglary, arson, and vehicle theft), San Franscisco is solidly the middle of the pack, not overly terrible compared to some other cities. Now, I am sure some conspiracy theorists will say this is because the police do not arrest for minor crimes as they should, but we can only go off the data, not speculation, and the crime stats do not lie. And, even if San Franscico was the worst City for property crime (it is not, not even close), I would take a city with terrible property crime over violent crime any day.

The reality is cities in Red States have much worse gun crime and violent crime than cities in blue states (this is well established). Blue States are simply safer. And, San Franscico specifically has very low violent crime including gun crime.

When you don't charge someone they don't end up in the crime stats. 50% of the downtown businesses have left the area, why do you think that has happened. If you want to see where crime is happening don't go by state wide stats look at the stats by county. Of course that gives you a political possibly incorrect picture so you better ignore it. And yes the worst counties are all in democratic voting counties.

Quote: SOOPOO

The country is doing great? Not if you are the Mayor of NYC complaining they can’t handle the tens of thousands of asylum seekers. Not if you are businesses trying to operate in San Francisco or Portland. Not if you are a retiree seeing your nest egg withering away due to inflation. Not if you care about adding trillions each year to the national debt.

lol this isn’t even close to the own you think it is.

Mayor of NYC = one guy
Businesses in Portland and San Fran = not people
Retirees seeing nest egg withering away = inflation is back down to pre-Covid levels, they should have invested better I guess

Everyone else is doing fine! You live in a right wing bubble that brainwashes you into thinking the country is a hellscape while you’re enjoying your retirement golf games.

Quote: kenarman

When you don't charge someone they don't end up in the crime stats. 50% of the downtown businesses have left the area, why do you think that has happened. If you want to see where crime is happening don't go by state wide stats look at the stats by county. Of course that gives you a political possibly incorrect picture so you better ignore it. And yes the worst counties are all in democratic voting counties.

Are counties more important than States when it comes to criminal law codification? Who controls the violent crime laws (which level of government)?

Downtowns are suffering in many cities, this is not an issue that I have looked into so I will take your word for it. But, even if in most cities it is 100% because of crime (and zero covid and economy shifting factors), this would not make me feel unsafe. There is a huge difference in property crime and violent crime.

Don't get me wrong I am all for throwing the book at everyone, I beleive in strict enforcment of everything. But, these are massively different issues even granting your premise.

Quote: Gandler

There is a huge difference in property crime and violent crime.

I guess you feel muggings are property crimes the same as some of the prosecutors, what about random stabbings? The businesses aren't leaving downtown only because of shoplifting. They are leaving because their employees and customers are getting hurt during the thefts as well as the fact that their customers no longer feel safe in their stores and that area of downtown and quit coming to the stores.

Quote: kenarman

I guess you feel muggings are property crimes the same as some of the prosecutors, what about random stabbings? The businesses aren't leaving downtown only because of shoplifting. They are leaving because their employees and customers are getting hurt during the thefts as well as the fact that their customers no longer feel safe in their stores and that area of downtown and quit coming to the stores.

Maybe they are leaving because downtown areas are dying and COVID was the last nail in the coffin for many retail hubs?

But, not muggings and stabbings are not property crimes, nor did I say that, I said shoplifting, burguratly, arson (this is a gray area, either way SF is mid tier), and car thefts.

For example SF friends routinely get their cars broken into, in fact they leave windows down and whatever random stuff in their car is fair game, that is just the cost of doing buisness so to speak. I don't know anyone who has been in serious danger though. And, I dont know if this is drastically different than similiar sized cities (stats indiciate that it is not). Getting your car broke into a few times a month is not the same as a large number of homicides. This is of course all anecdotal.

I know I feel infinitely safer in SF than Philly or NYC or Atlanta, it's not even close. And, the stats seem to back this.

Quote: Gandler

I know I feel infinitely safer in SF than Philly or NYC or Atlanta, it's not even close. And, the stats seem to back this.

"While both are relatively safe for a major city, San Francisco has a higher rate of property crime and violent crime than New York. Based on a crime scale compiled using FBI data, San Francisco scored 79.2 for property crime and 39.6 for violent crime. New York scored 24.9 for property crime and 28.2 for violent crime.Aug 28, 2022"

I guess you look at different stats than I do, mine are from the FBI. Continue to feel that San Francisco is safer than NYC.