Malaysian Jet
April 6th, 2014 at 11:42:12 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Well outside the bounds of good taste? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
April 6th, 2014 at 11:53:45 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18812 |
Remember the Val-u-Jet crash in the Everglades? I also remember it being described as one of the worst recovery conditions ever, even though they knew where it went down. Wearing scuba gear in a sweltering muddy swamp, plus alligators.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ValuJet_Flight_592 You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
April 6th, 2014 at 12:41:30 PM permalink | |
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831 | That was inadvertent disengagement of the altitude hold function and no one registered the single chime that indicated it. They slowly descended while focused on a blown out seventeen cent bulb. Cockpit Resource Management. No one was flying the plane. A descent from altitude to sea level would be worse. So far some of the most suspicious events are ones involving Chinese ships suddenly discovering pings. |
April 6th, 2014 at 4:59:12 PM permalink | |
beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 | SOOPOO, I don't think the bet is resolved yet. rxwine, I don't think your scenario should be ruled out. I do think that someone in the back, in this age of flight sims, might make a try at it, but it's hard to imagine how the flight crew dies and the cabin remains free to solicit a volunteer to attempt to get them on the ground. So it seems unlikely at best; more likely they were all incapacitated by lost cabin pressure or something than that the crew was killed and the plane flyable. Wizard, Really? All, I think the absence of any known motive is glaring, for the scenarios involving either suicide or terrorism. Hypoxia seems possible, but then why the course change without communication, and loss of all tracking systems? It's nearly unheard of, with 2 crew in the cockpit, that there would be no advisory to ATC of emergency or course correction for same, so for me, a developing situation of more than 10 seconds duration is mostly out. I still think, ridiculous as it seems, that the aircraft is most likely landed somewhere and under cover. It's neither that expensive nor that difficult to build a large open hangar with camoflage overhead, on a private island, or in a rustic country, with many in range. It's only 7000 feet of runway. I think this is only Chapter 1. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
April 6th, 2014 at 5:35:02 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
It is exactly that kind of scenario that I offered to bet on at least one survivor at 200 to 1. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
April 6th, 2014 at 7:44:07 PM permalink | |
beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 |
Well, I won't bet against you, then, but I'll take your side of it if you find a live one. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
April 6th, 2014 at 8:36:02 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
One difficulty is that it could be difficult to determine that there are no survivors. Without the recorder box, there remains the possibility that the plane was stolen, some critical passengers were kidnapped, or that the hijackers survived and that this concept is a dry run. Kidnapping is a $1.5 billion a year business. While it seems extreme to steal a jet to kidnap someone, there are jets that carry British royals, the Prime Minister, and many other extremely high value people. For instance, The Prince William and Duchess Kate travel on a commercial jet across continents. For instance last year they expensed £107,958 Commercial flight LHR - Singapore - Kuala Lumpur- Brisbane - LHR £172,436 Charter Kota Kinabalu - Honiara - Funafuti -Brisbane Rather than spend upwards of £700,000 for a charter jet to fly them from London to Singapore, they fly commercial for the long hauls, and lease a private jet for the short hauls and the remote destinations. What is the potential ransom for a future head of state? I am sure $500 million to a $1 billion is not out of line. What about a prime minister? |
April 6th, 2014 at 8:57:44 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 | I'm sticking with what the expert in the first week said. Pilot suicide, the plane augered into the ocean at a steep angle doing 600 knots. The result is like hitting a mile thick brick wall and the plane would have splintered into a literal million pieces of plane and bodies on impact. Debris so small it will never be detected, If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 6th, 2014 at 9:12:38 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Anything is possible. But I doubt that the pilot could fly a plane for several hours with or without a load of screaming passengers, just to crash into the sea. It's inconsistent with suicidal behavior. |
April 7th, 2014 at 12:00:47 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
With our Western view of suicidal behavior, yes. There are different views. Cold and calculating is one of them. And he wouldn't be piloting the plane, autopilot would. The AF pilot major in the family says flying a plane that size manually for more then 30min is completely exhausting, it had to be on auto. My theory is he flew till he was almost out of fuel and took it full speed into the cement floor that is the ocean. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |