Simple question?

Quote: FrGamble

I know you are trying to make a poor point and don't believe that craps, but it doesn't come close to being pertinent to our discussion.

I really should take up that linguistics lecture series on Audible. It might prove helpful in deciphering your doublespeak. Still, I think your way of saying you're wrong but won't admit it, is to denigrate an argument without trying to counter it.

Quote: rxwine

If we had Jesus around, the first thing I would do is get some tissue or blood samples. Jesus being the product of one Earth woman and spiritual being*, would be the first thing I'd want to investigate.

*wink here

It would be interesting to see what "perfect" DNA looks like.... Or would that be "half-perfect" DNA only?

Either way, one can obtain tissue samples without having to sit down to dinner with the Jesus.

Now, suppose you did have dinner with him, for some reason. if you asked him questions about, say, cosmology and quantum mechanics, would he even understand you?

Quote: Nareed

Because unequal treatment is not equal.

You have a right to be misogynistic and homophobic, and you'll even be protected by the government. But stop trying to pretend you're not.

What in the world are you talking about? Let's try to find common ground where we agree. Do you think we should continue to call men and women by different names? Do you think we should continue to have separate men and women bathrooms? Finally, do you think this is unequal treatment?

Quote: FrGamble

What in the world are you talking about?

I'm saying your cult is misogynistic and homophobic, not to mention transphobic as well. You do not give women any real power in your organization. You pretend to accept LGBT people, only demanding they twist themselves mentally and physically to conform to your prejudiced notions of what is proper. You have an unhealthy fixation with genitals and reproduction, too.

Freedom of religion means you can do this, as in fact you do it. As openly and blatantly as you want, too. A business or corporation couldn't get away excluding women and treating LGBT people that way, but you can.

And yet you pretend you're not. Which only makes things worse.

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Let's try to find common ground where we agree.

Have you considered a career in comedy?

Quote: rxwine

White people get killed by Aryan skinheads, and white motorcycle gangs.

I didn't have to drive thru any Aryan
neighborhoods. All I know is I'm not
safe in a black neighborhood
at night if I'm white.

Quote: Evenbob

I didn't have to drive thru any Aryan
neighborhoods. All I know is I'm not
safe in a black neighborhood
at night if I'm white.

I've lived in both those places for short durations, in the 70's. There was violence but not like now with the frequency of Meth and the petri dish of drugs and poverty being as prevalent.

The famous ghetto's always had their heroin, but I think this is worse. Blackness didn't cause it, certainly there are villages in Africa which are safe. Culture, poverty and dope.

There were a lot of respectable black families. Not nearly as much gang stuff, but it was always there. If they knew you and you didn't present a threat, you could usually pass . I had to hitch-hike back and forth to trade school, they were the only ones that would give me a ride.

Quote: Nareed

You pretend to accept LGBT people, only demanding they twist themselves mentally and physically to conform to your prejudiced notions of what is proper.

That's absolutely true. Forcing people to
act in a certain way before you can accept
them isn't acceptance. No matter what
you're reason for doing it, you can't call
it acceptance. There can't be on 'if' attached.
Like, we'll accept your homosexuality
if you never engage in homosexual sex. If you do,
that's not acceptable.

Quote: Evenbob

That's absolutely true. Forcing people to
act in a certain way before you can accept
them isn't acceptance. No matter what
you're reason for doing it, you can't call
it acceptance. There can't be on 'if' attached.
Like, we'll accept your homosexuality
if you never engage in homosexual sex. If you do,
that's not acceptable.

So should we ignore "No Shirt, No Shoes, No service" signs. Are storekeepers being unaccepting by forcing people to act in a certain way. Before accepting someone do you require them to believe everything you belief and then make fun of them if they don't? I don't feel very accepted by you. I hear you saying, "We'll accept your religion if you always say homosexual sex is a natural thing exactly the same as heterosexual sex. If you don't that's not acceptable." Why don't we just accept that we have different views and beliefs on this matter without immediately making fun of each other, calling each other names, or assuming everything I do must be because of some hatred in my heart.

Quote: Nareed

You do not give women any real power in your organization.

You obviously haven't been in Church in a while. Women have real power and influence in my Church in extraordinary ways. Again take a look at our positions concerning true women's health. We are the only ones saying that a healthy menstrual cycle is a good thing and shouldn't be interrupted unnaturally so that women can more often been objectified and used for sexual pleasure.

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You pretend to accept LGBT people, only demanding they twist themselves mentally and physically to conform to your prejudiced notions of what is proper.

This is only said from your perspective and based on your experience. My perspective and experience in working with the homosexual community is the great freedom people discover when they stop twisting themselves into the mold that society says they must through sexual action and instead discover true intimacy and real love. Just because something doesn't fit with your worldview gives you no right to call it discriminatory. It is you who are pretending and projecting upon me some false charges. Why do you accuse me of such evil motivations without listening and/or knowing me and/or my Church's teaching? I would never make up some untrue and disgusting motivations for why you hold your views or why you are going through the real hardships you are in transitioning. So just stop it. Use your head and let us respect each other by giving each other the benefit of the doubt before saying such lies as you continue to say about me.

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Have you considered a career in comedy?

So you do not think that men and women are different but equal?

Quote: FrGamble

So should we ignore "No Shirt, No Shoes, No service" signs. Are storekeepers being unaccepting by forcing people to act in a certain way.

They're certainly not accepting barefoot and shirtless customers.

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I don't feel very accepted by you. I hear you saying, "We'll accept your religion if you always say homosexual sex is a natural thing exactly the same as heterosexual sex. If you don't that's not acceptable."

Let's try a hypothetical:

You come into my house and I tell you to remove a cross hanging around your neck, and you notice I don't demand this of other similar ornaments. Then I tell you not to sit on the furniture, but you notice others can use the furniture freely. Next I serve food, which you have to consume standing up, and I give you no utensils, naturally everyone else has cutlery. When I serve wine, you get water. And when I serve desert, you get nothing. You also notice people don't talk to you, and when you talk to them they don't really answer. I in particular ignore you completely.

Finally I hug you and say "I'm always so glad to welcome you into my home."

Question: if things happened that way, would you feel welcome?

Bonus question: on a scale of 1 to seven trillion, how hypocritical would you rate my "welcoming" statement.