The Gay Thread

I don't care what men do with other men, just
don't do it in front of me especially if I've just eaten.
I don't want to see some guy jamming his
tongue down some girl's throat either.

Its funny, a few weeks ago I was saying how
disgusting I thought kissing was in general. A
few days ago on The Five they were all saying
the same thing. That kissing on the mouth is
fairly disgusting and needs to be more
well-thought-out. The Japanese don't do it
and I believe there are other Asian cultures that
don't do it either. It's a custom that doesn't make
any sense, especially when you know how germs
and bacteria are spread. We would never use
somebody else's toothbrush but we would kiss
them on the mouth?

Quote: Gandler

... Watching holocaust movies as a kid? Fine Watching some of the most gruesome and realistic war movies? fine. Watching a movie that has one sex scene with partial nudity? No way, he can't see that. And, I know many parents (and kids who had parents) with the exact same view, makes zero sense....

The most difficult film I ever watched. Worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy_xWKJubuY

I started watching it as Alfred Hitchcock was in on the production.

(there's about 4 minutes of static screen with just narrator at first)

Quote: kenarman

Quote Gandler

"However, there simply is not gay sex being shown to the public in any serious way. The idea that there is an epidemic of gay sex being shown is simply wrong. If just having gay characters annoys you, then you are just wrong."

First you spend a long post telling me you don't watch regular TV and then after saying that you then dispute that shows would have the scenes, in effect calling me a liar. Here are some examples.

Many long closer ups of gay kisses of both sexes with tongue.
Many extended dialogue scenes with a gay couple in bed partially clothed. These usually start and/or end with necking and body on body.
I have only seen this once, 2 men one had his on the pillow the other sticks his head out from under the covers at the foot of the bed. They have a long discussion with just their heads showing.

I did not call you a liar, or even close to it, I said I highly doubt that there is gay sex every episode, in fact here is the actual quote:

'They may have gay characters in your shows, but I find it hard to believe there are gay sex scenes, especially "every episode".
If there are and it offends you, maybe watch a different show?'
http://diversitytomorrow.com/thread/3011/119/#post175379

You did not even quote the response to your post, you quoted my reply to AZDUFFMAN and then said I was calling you a liar in that quote.... (which even in your context of misquoting does not make sense...)


Like I said, I can't prove you wrong, I virtually never watch network TV, but I know that graphic sex scenes are still a no-go. So of all the places to find rampant sex scenes, I don't think regular TV would be one. Again, if it offends you, there are like 1k channels and countless shows to watch. It sounds like you are going out of your way to find gay stuff that I have not even heard it....

Let us say in a hypothetical reality, that most (heck let us say all) shows have gay sex in them. Would this not be conservative progress, since studios respond to the free market? Nobody is forcing them to make a show with gay sex, and nobody is forcing you to watch it. But, there is a market incentive, studios care about making money, if they are showing gay sex all day (they are not, or even close to it) that means it is more profitable to show gay sex than anything else. Studios make what will sell tickets (or views), with little regard to accuracy (some rare exceptions).

The reality of course is likely more representative of real life, a very small number of characters are gay/bi, and sex scenes are scarce (as they should be, still too much in my view). Though, that is not even relevant. Shows and movies are never demographically relevant, if they were then 90% of the population would be a homicide detective or a super Soldier or a struggling defense attorney. People watch what they find enjoyable or exciting or interesting, etc.... If shows were demographically accurate virtually all shows would be about truck drivers and retail workers. So even the demographic argument (if it were correct, which I doubt that it is), is irrelevant....

In fact I just googled "What portion of TV characters are gay", and it is less than 10%, (and that apparently includes all LGBTQ characters, not just gay) so pretty close to reality.... And, probably only a tiny percent of them have sex scenes (Don't care enough to look that up, but I know only a small group of characters -if any- in any show have sex scenes, so doing basic probability, that makes gay character sex scenes very rare).... Certainly not anywhere close to the barrage that is being portrayed to us. (Again this whole argument should be irrelevant, regardless of who is right, but some people obsess over it).

Quote: rxwine

The most difficult film I ever watched. Worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy_xWKJubuY

I started watching it as Alfred Hitchcock was in on the production.

(there's about 4 minutes of static screen with just narrator at first)

I'll have to check it out (I can tell that is too depressing for me to watch tonight).
I actually meant to mention documentaries in that post, because actual footage (and actual history) can sometimes be the most unsettling thing to watch.

I think I went to the Holocaust museum in 6th or 7th grade (somewhere around there, maybe even younger) with my school, very unsettling place, though necessary to see (though as a cheap angle that goes back to my point of, its praised when schools/parents take young kids to places like that, but even minor hints of sex are terrible).

Quote: Gandler

I'll have to check it out (I can tell that is too depressing for me to watch tonight).
I actually meant to mention documentaries in that post, because actual footage (and actual history) can sometimes be the most unsettling thing to watch.

I think I went to the Holocaust museum in 6th or 7th grade (somewhere around there, maybe even younger) with my school, very unsettling place, though necessary to see (though as a cheap angle that goes back to my point of, its praised when schools/parents take young kids to places like that, but even minor hints of sex are terrible).

If you do, I'll tell you why I found it so unsettling, other than the obvious.

Quote: Gandler

Yes, exactly my point, gay sex is rarely shown. Even most gay people would struggle to name more than a handful of movies from all time that feature on screen male sex.

As for being offended by a character in a movie being gay is just childish. Gay and Bi exist among you, so there will be some characters that are such. If you find gay sex disgusting, that is fine, I don't agree, but I can understand, because I find a lot of things disgusting. However, there simply is not gay sex being shown to the public in any serious way. The idea that there is an epidemic of gay sex being shown is simply wrong. If just having gay characters annoys you, then you are just wrong.

"Offended" is not the right word. It is more just being sick and tired of seeing them put a gay character in because they clearly have to make their gay quota. No point behind it plot wise.

One thing it does is gets the younger generation far overestimating the number of gays in society. Limbaugh talked about this once. Some of the youngest generation will say like 20% of people are gay instead of the 1% or so it really is. Which is the point of the gay quota.

Quote: Evenbob

Its funny, a few weeks ago I was saying how
disgusting I thought kissing was in general. A
few days ago on The Five they were all saying
the same thing. That kissing on the mouth is
fairly disgusting and needs to be more
well-thought-out.

That is just stupid. It isn't like one should kiss everyone, but kissing the one you love/like/date/whatever is a great joy. Sure, it probably isn't the top of the list as far as not swapping germs, but you are likely sleeping with that person, sharing much of your waking hours. etc. near them when you can. Maybe if you are having random casual sex it is different. I can think of things that are part of lovemaking among couples that might also be less than total clean.

I am never for people kissing like they are about to screw in public; that is different. Get a room. Enjoy the room!

I'd like to see less sex on TV but whatever...I know how to operate a remote. Get a room.

Who the hell wants to be a monk or a nun and not enjoy the pleasures of relationships?

Quote: RonC

That is just stupid. ?

Yeah, no it's not. Kissing on the mouth it's something that started long long before people knew about bacteria and germs. Not only is it not stupid it's the polar opposite of stupid. Go to Japan and tell them they're stupid for not doing something that is so obviously unsanitary and disgusting. Just because you're doing it with someone you're involved with emotionally doesn't make it any less unsanitary or disgusting. It just makes it more acceptable. My prediction is in the future it will become less and less acceptable and almost disappear. It's inevitable.

Quote: Evenbob

Yeah, no it's not. Kissing on the mouth it's something that started long long before people knew about bacteria and germs. Not only is it not stupid it's the polar opposite of stupid. Go to Japan and tell them they're stupid for not doing something that is so obviously unsanitary and disgusting. Just because you're doing it with someone you're involved with emotionally doesn't make it any less unsanitary or disgusting. It just makes it more acceptable. My prediction is in the future it will become less and less acceptable and almost disappear. It's inevitable.

You're just a germaphobe.

Quote: AZDuffman

"Offended" is not the right word. It is more just being sick and tired of seeing them put a gay character in because they clearly have to make their gay quota. No point behind it plot wise.

One thing it does is gets the younger generation far overestimating the number of gays in society. Limbaugh talked about this once. Some of the youngest generation will say like 20% of people are gay instead of the 1% or so it really is. Which is the point of the gay quota.

So if a straight character relationship is not relevant to the plot, you are against it?