The Gay Thread

Quote: kenarman

You obviously aren't watching much TV. The evening drama series this year have multiple gay sex scenes in every episode.

Is this some kind of joke? I can’t tell if you’re kidding or not.

Quote: gamerfreak

Does male on male rape count? I can probably count that on two hands without Google. Some damn great movies too, like Deliverence and Shawshank Redemption.

Not everything in a movie is supposed to make the audience feel warm and comfortable.

"Oz" had lots of that. But it was at least at first subdued. Got a little graphic in later seasons, though to make a point that there is no way out for those victims.

Quote: missedhervee

Society and its norms is changing, like it or not.

Oh sure, you can whine and bark at the moon about how wrong it is but this ain't the era of Ozzie and Harriet any more.

Wake up and smell the increasing freedom to be free of unnecessary societal constraints as to one's personal identity.

*golf clap*

BTW, if this really bothers you then you've got a problem accepting change; now might be the time to finally build that bunker and fill it with ammo and issues old Penthouse.

Nothing to clap about. Your "open" society is manic depressive compared to Ozzie.

I have my bunker, though no need for porn in it.

Quote: ams288

Is this some kind of joke? I can’t tell if you’re kidding or not.

No

Quote: kenarman

No

Which shows have them? I don’t watch much evening tv so I’m curious now.

Quote: ams288

Which shows have them? I don’t watch much evening tv so I’m curious now.

Start with Station 19 it might be the worst. Any of the doctor shows are almost as bad. The other firemen shows also have some. My wife watches them all and I am in the same room as the TV on my computer.

I am not exactly thrilled about all the changes but I accept them and move on.

Quote: missedhervee

I am not exactly thrilled about all the changes but I accept them and move on.

That is how we should all live our lives. Either do something practical to change what you don't like or accept it and move on. Social media posters are the worst because they have plenty of time to complain but not enough time to spend on a legitimate cause to change something.

Quote: AZDuffman

They are rare because people do not want to see them. I can’t name any because I avoid such movi s and shows.

Yes, exactly my point, gay sex is rarely shown. Even most gay people would struggle to name more than a handful of movies from all time that feature on screen male sex.

As for being offended by a character in a movie being gay is just childish. Gay and Bi exist among you, so there will be some characters that are such. If you find gay sex disgusting, that is fine, I don't agree, but I can understand, because I find a lot of things disgusting. However, there simply is not gay sex being shown to the public in any serious way. The idea that there is an epidemic of gay sex being shown is simply wrong. If just having gay characters annoys you, then you are just wrong.

There was some Netflix Action movie, pretty generic action movie about mercenaries or élite soldiers or something, fine movie, nothing special (I can't even remember the premise or even title), but I remember there being huge controversy when there was a comment that two of the male characters were together, never visualized on screen, not even a kiss of hand holding that I recall, just mentioned, and maybe some subtle remarks. And, people lost their minds like the movie was plastering gay porn upon the world. Never mind that hundreds of people are killed in a violent fashion, 2 characters being gay or bi (again no actual sex or even kissing), that can't be seen by the youth!

Its honestly a trope that has always bother me, even as a kid, my parents would say "oh its only rated R for Violence and Language, he can watch it with us", as if mindless gore is good but sex (straight sex in this case) is a bridge too far.... Watching holocaust movies as a kid? Fine Watching some of the most gruesome and realistic war movies? fine. Watching a movie that has one sex scene with partial nudity? No way, he can't see that. And, I know many parents (and kids who had parents) with the exact same view, makes zero sense....

I watched "We Were Soldiers Once and Young" with my parents as a kid, and they skipped the "sex scene" with me (married couple before husband leaves), and they are not even nude (and its not really even a sex scene, after watching it as an adult, basically just kissing with clothes on, probably fine for a PG film), apparently the rest of the movie (which is quite violent, a very graphic Vietnam Movie, more graphic than most including close up of napalm being dropped on people, etc...), is fine, but not kissing in clothes on a bed, and I was not even that young (I think it came out in 2001). Excellent movie that is very underrated in any case. I guess I kind of went of a tangent, anyway, I find it odd how people are so much more offended by sex (straight sex forget gay sex) than violence (especially depictions of real life, which can make it more horrifying for a child)....

Like I said I don't care much for sex scenes (of any stripe), but there is no rampant amount of gay sex being broadcasted, there is just not. And, the few gay sex scenes that there are, are usually crucial to the story (Brokeback Mountain, would not really make sense without the scenes, that is a rare example of sex scene being necessary for the story, for a gay example). I also don't care for mindless violence or gore scenes. Anything that exists for shock value or gratification is a cheap trick in my book. This applies to sex and violence. I don't mind both if they make sense in the context of a story, but I don't like mindless shock value or gratification of either stripe.

Quote: gamerfreak

Does male on male rape count? I can probably count that on two hands without Google. Some damn great movies too, like Deliverence and Shawshank Redemption.

Not everything in a movie is supposed to make the audience feel warm and comfortable.

I guess in the sense that its technically sex. But, I don't consider rape scenes to be "sex scenes" in the same category. But, yeah those are two good example of male rape movies, I am sure there are many prison movies that feature male rape (maybe some prison movies/shows with female rape, I never got into those shows about female prisons so I can't comment). I am not huge into prison movies so my offhand knowledge is limited.

Actually I think Lawrence of Arabia may count because he was raped by captured in that Ottoman Fortress. But, it may have been offscreen (in fact given the date it came out, it almost must have been). (I re-watched this movie a few months ago, excellent movie).

Actually thinking about it, even Shawshank, I don't think had the rape on screen, I think it was just the fight and then implied (I have mostly seen it on TV in the past, never in theatres or DVD, and its been a long while, so that may be the edited version, or I may just not remember the full scene).

Deliverance is the one that I can think of that definitely had the actual rape on screen.

Quote: kenarman

You obviously aren't watching much TV. The evening drama series this year have multiple gay sex scenes in every episode.

It depends what you mean. I don't watch much network TV. I mostly watch stuff streaming I just watched Midnight Mass on Netflix, it was excellent, not a single sex scene (that I recall), and sparing use of backflashes (in a way that make sense), very well made (even if the ending left something to be desired, another show where it is great until the last episode in my view).

But, yeah, I don't watch a ton of TV, and virtually never "regular" TV, I can't even tell you the last time I looked at a regular channel (I usually turn on and go straight to Netflix, HBO Max, Amazon, etc.....) I did watch some episodes (the first three I think) of the new season of the Walking Dead (but even that was On Demand technically), and only a couple, that those episodes are probably the extent of my regular network TV show watching in all of 2021 (not counting TVs in the background at bars, airports, friends houses, etc....). Virtually every show that I enjoy is on a streaming platform.

So a lot of the shows you guys mention go over my head. But, network TV has severe limitation on sex scenes (unlike Streaming and Premium Apps), so even if there are sex scenes they are likely very minor.

But, this past year and a half I have watched far more stuff than normal as there is not much else to do (pre-pandemic, what I watch is extremely limited), so I am certainly not shielded from stuff that is streaming (in fact less so than normal for me).

They may have gay characters in your shows, but I find it hard to believe there are gay sex scenes, especially "every episode".
If there are and it offends you, maybe watch a different show?

Quote Gandler

"However, there simply is not gay sex being shown to the public in any serious way. The idea that there is an epidemic of gay sex being shown is simply wrong. If just having gay characters annoys you, then you are just wrong."

First you spend a long post telling me you don't watch regular TV and then after saying that you then dispute that shows would have the scenes, in effect calling me a liar. Here are some examples.

Many long closer ups of gay kisses of both sexes with tongue.
Many extended dialogue scenes with a gay couple in bed partially clothed. These usually start and/or end with necking and body on body.
I have only seen this once, 2 men one had his on the pillow the other sticks his head out from under the covers at the foot of the bed. They have a long discussion with just their heads showing.