The Coronavirus thread

Quote: Mission146

I guess that's true, but then it depends on the item in question. Ohio, for example, has mandatory reporting for felonies...but not for the overwhelming majority of misdemeanors--if any of them. Not only that, but to run afoul of mandatory reporting laws would first require that you knew that the crime in question was a felony. Drug crimes, for example, you'd have no obligation to report unless you knew a felonious amount of drugs was involved.

I would surmise less than 1% of the population is aware of the amount of illegal drugs that changes a misdemeanor to a felony.

Quote: petroglyph

Doesn't the government already have locations for people to turn in their neighbors doing something wrong?

https://www.dhs.gov/fusion-centers

The IRS has for several years now had a program where if you turn someone in who hasn't paid "their fair share" of income tax, the informant can receive up to 30 percent of the taxes collected from that information. https://www.irs.gov/compliance/whistleblower-informant-award#:~:text=The%20IRS%20Whistleblower%20Office%20pays,and%20other%20amounts%20it%20collects.

All that "they" lack is the desire to correct non compliant people, programs are already in place.

You say reporting your neighbor is a bad thing. Its not (if its justified, if it is frivolous it is).

To give context, I have one neighbor that likes to sit in front of his house (on the public sidewalk) and smoke marijuana (I have no clue why somebody would smoke publicly when they have a private back yard and a house....). It does not bother me at all, and harms nobody, I would never report him even though where I live it is illegal.

However, if I saw a neighbor punching his kids in his driveway then I would call the police because that is a crime that is an active threat against somebody else. (I am pretty sure most states also have a legal obligation to report abuse, but even if they did not the right thing to do is call).

Your examples of reporting people for suspicions of terror relations also fit this criteria. If I had reasonable suspicions that a neighbor was involved in antigovernmental activities of course I would report it, because that could be a terror threat. For example if somebody was openly a member of an extremist group, and suddenly started to get deliveries of strange cases by suspicious cars I would probably file a report, because if I didn't and something happened it would be on me. If it was truly an innocent coincidence the worse that would happen is they would be investigated for a few months with no action. I don't have an issue with fusion centers or reporting behaviors that may harm the USA. This is an extreme and unlikely scenario as most organizations are much for discrete for this very reason.....

As for the IRS, I don't have a huge problem with that. If you don't pay taxes and get caught due to a whistleblower, I don't think its unreasonable for them to be compensated. Especially if its money that would have never been collected otherwise.

This also happens on a local level. For example many cities have CrimeStoppers or an equivalent a website or phone line where you can report serious crimes (gang violence etc...) completely anonymously and if an arrest is made based on your tip you get paid various amounts depending on the nature of the arrest (also anonymously through a money order arranged at a randomly assigned bank), these are often funded by a mix of grants and donations from community members. These programs are effective because it provides a way for people to anonymously report people who they may generally be afraid to, and offers cash (basically) incentives to do so which can help people who are in high crime areas (who are often lower income).

NYC for years has taken this one step further and allowed citizens to kind of do private parking enforcement through an app by taking photographs of the violation and videos and uploading the information, and receive a portion of the fines collected if a summons is issued and collected on. This is primarily used to combat idling and to use citizens to be proactive in vehicle idling enforcement. This is something I do not agree with because it often encourages a lot of confrontations in a place where people are already emotionally charged up (NYC parking and loading) and can potentially be dangerous for both parties. I understand the concept (police and parking people are not quick enough to respond to vehicle idling for brief periods), but it seems to encourage unnecessary confrontation.
https://www1.nyc.gov/site/dep/environment/idling-citizens-air-complaint-program.page

Quote: Gandler

You say reporting your neighbor is a bad thing. Its not (if its justified, if it is frivolous it is). >>

Does the neighbor in your world view that is being reported get to know who has complained?

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Quote: petroglyph

Does the neighbor in your world view that is being reported get to know who has complained?

Generally, no for most of those examples are anonymous. There are some exceptions for public records depending on which you are referring to.

I believe the IRS is public record if it makes it to court. I believe the NYC example is the same. Crimestoppers is anonymous. Most terror hotlines are anonymous. 911 calls are public record with the exception of the identity of the caller (so anonymous for all intents and purposes, though your neighbor would likley know your voice).

Quote: Gandler

Generally, no for most of those examples are anonymous. There are some exceptions for public records depending on which you are referring to.

I believe the IRS is public record if it makes it to court. I believe the NYC example is the same. Crimestoppers is anonymous. Most terror hotlines are anonymous. 911 calls are public record with the exception of the identity of the caller (so anonymous for all intents and purposes, though your neighbor would likley know your voice).

I think you should have the right to know who is accusing you. For instance, child disciplining. Some nosy *** neighbor calling the police claiming abuse causes irreparable damage to a family and the parent isn't found guilty by any court has a right to know who has caused the damage.

If you feel the need to call the police go ahead, but if the person being accused isn't found guilty of a crime, the accuser needs to pay bigly.

Having been a victim of a serial cop caller, you can't imagine the trauma inflicted. The "system" protects the crazy from retribution by the norm.

Quote: petroglyph

I think you should have the right to know who is accusing you. For instance, child disciplining. Some nosy *** neighbor calling the police claiming abuse causes irreparable damage to a family and the parent isn't found guilty by any court has a right to know who has caused the damage.

If you feel the need to call the police go ahead, but if the person being accused isn't found guilty of a crime, the accuser needs to pay bigly.

Having been a victim of a serial cop caller, you can't imagine the trauma inflicted. The "system" protects the crazy from retribution by the norm.

Fake 911 calls are already a crime.

You have a right to face your accuser. This is who cites you.

For example if you are a gang member and I call Crimestoppers on you, the police would arrive and the arresting officers would be the accuser, I would remain anonymous. It is a similar concept with 911 calls.

The caller provides a tip, the actual actual "criminal accuser" is the arresting officer or official citing you.

Quote: Wizard

The question for the poll is what do you think the fatality count will be by the end of 2020?

Was this question worldwide or in the US?

Quote: Donald Trump 26 February

"When you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

Quote: Fauci 14 July

Covid-19 outbreak could be as bad as the 1918 flu

675,000 Americans died from 1918 flu.

Quote: petroglyph

Does the neighbor in your world view that is being reported get to know who has complained?

In dirtbag Cuomo's NYS, all victims and witnesses are required to provide the defense counsel with their name, address and phone number.

If anyone, even a child, calls 911 to report MS13 members are hacking a teenage girl to pieces, their counsel will get the caller's info, even if they are not going to testify.

"Have you ever called 911? Even if you want to report criminal activity without giving your name, the recording of the call and your telephone number will now be handed over to the bad guy. What if your kid sees a violent crime on your block? Your child’s contact information could be handed over to the criminal defendant. Are you a first responder or do you work at a hospital? If you speak with an injured victim or criminal, your contact information will be turned over."

In NYC, after two decades of falling crime, that made it the safest large city in the U.S., murders are up 41%, and shootings up 112%.

Quote: Tanko

In NYC, after two decades of falling crime, that made it the safest large city in the U.S., murders are up 41%, and shootings up 112%.

But they prefer more crime than to live under the policies Rudy put in place so let them enjoy.