The Coronavirus thread

Quote: fleaswatter

Continue to "carry water" for and make excuses for your "dear leader" dementia joe bidumb. LOL LOL

I think we’ve found flea’s new response every time someone bests him on here.

The Israelis have discovered that the Pfizer vaccination after 16 weeks is only 20% effective at stopping you from getting covid. But it is still 90% effective for keeping you out of the hospital. But it is not effective in stopping the side effects that lots of people get from covid. Like loss of taste, loss of smell, extreme fatigue like I had, loss of hearing, and many others. So even if you've been vaccinated you still have to wear a mask.

Quote: Evenbob

The Israelis have discovered that the Pfizer vaccination after 16 weeks is only 20% effective at stopping you from getting covid. But it is still 90% effective for keeping you out of the hospital. But it is not effective in stopping the side effects that lots of people get from covid. Like loss of taste, loss of smell, extreme fatigue like I had, loss of hearing, and many others. So even if you've been vaccinated you still have to wear a mask.

Two problems with the study (that I suspect) you are referring to (well really one problem, but its being misused two ways), its an observational study based on data available in the country.

Now, this is not really a problem until you draw it to its two extreme conclusions. Pfizer (and others) are using this data to push hard for a booster for everyone.
On the inverse, anti-vax organizations are pushing hard to make it look like the vaccine is not worth getting.

Its kind of ironic, that a single study can trigger polar opposite reactions.

I am fine with getting a booster (I probably will if it becomes recommended, and definitely will if required). But, certain companies have a vested interest in putting boosters in everyone as quickly as possible. I think a better focus would be to make the vaccine available to those who are unvaccinated (much greater risk of not just infection, but serious side effects, death, etc...)

And certain groups have a vested interest in waving off all vaccines (and saying "look natural immunity is also good" look at Natural News's take on the Study for grotesque example of this).



Here is the actual study:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full-text

"Our study has several limitations. First, as the Delta variant was the dominant strain in Israel during the outcome period, the decreased long-term protection of the vaccine compared to that afforded by previous infection cannot be ascertained against other strains. Second, our analysis addressed protection afforded solely by the BioNTech/Pfizer mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine, and therefore does not address other vaccines or long-term protection following a third dose, of which the deployment is underway in Israel. Additionally, as this is an observational real-world study, where PCR screening was not performed by protocol, we might be underestimating asymptomatic infections, as these individuals often do not get tested. "

https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-gop-gubernatorial-candidate-allen-west-has-covid-19-2021-10

He's of course ignoring the medical community and going with drugs republican politicians push.
Ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine.
Complete insanity
Taking right wing politicians medical advice over a doctors advice
What are the odds he ends up in a hospital
He's probably making it worse
Its like middle ages bleeding

Quote: terapined

https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-gop-gubernatorial-candidate-allen-west-has-covid-19-2021-10

He's of course ignoring the medical community and going with drugs republican politicians push.
Ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine.
Complete insanity
Taking right wing politicians medical advice over a doctors advice
What are the odds he ends up in a hospital
He's probably making it worse
Its like middle ages bleeding

Oh hum. I can't be suspended for what i'm thinking, can I?
" Angela and I just completed the monoclonal antibody infusion therapy and are in the observation period."
At least one medically approved treatment. Nice to know it's readily available.
https://www.hhs.gov/guidance/document/monoclonal-antibody-covid-19-infusion

Quote: terapined

https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-gop-gubernatorial-candidate-allen-west-has-covid-19-2021-10

He's of course ignoring the medical community and going with drugs republican politicians push.
Ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine.
Complete insanity
Taking right wing politicians medical advice over a doctors advice
What are the odds he ends up in a hospital
He's probably making it worse
Its like middle ages bleeding

(bold mine)

Probably petty high, as in the article he basically said that he was on the way to the hospital.

Kind of ashame, I used to like Allen West, but it seems he has been growing increasingly insane (culminating with the Trump era).

I will never understand how people do not trust vaccines because of some kind of pharmaceutical conspiracy, but will take drugs that are not recommended. Its like the world is turning upside down, and people are going out of their way to not listen to advice...

Quote: Gandler

I will never understand how people do not trust vaccines because of some kind of pharmaceutical conspiracy, .

Good God, that's not why. It's because they have not been long turn tested for side effects. Nobody knows how these vaccines are going to affect some people's DNA down the road. There are some big big surprises coming about these vaccines at a later date and I don't beat want to be one of those people that are surprised. But your government thanks you for being one of the willing guinea pigs.

Quote: Gandler

Quote: terapined

https://www.businessinsider.com/texas-gop-gubernatorial-candidate-allen-west-has-covid-19-2021-10

He's of course ignoring the medical community and going with drugs republican politicians push.
Ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine.
Complete insanity
Taking right wing politicians medical advice over a doctors advice
What are the odds he ends up in a hospital
He's probably making it worse
Its like middle ages bleeding

(bold mine)

Probably petty high, as in the article he basically said that he was on the way to the hospital.

Kind of ashame, I used to like Allen West, but it seems he has been growing increasingly insane (culminating with the Trump era).

I will never understand how people do not trust vaccines because of some kind of pharmaceutical conspiracy, but will take drugs that are not recommended. Its like the world is turning upside down, and people are going out of their way to not listen to advice...

Its total insanity
Doesn't take the vaccine that absolutely works
Takes the drugs that absolutely don't work
Stunning

Quote: Evenbob

Good God, that's not why. It's because they have not been long turn tested for side effects. Nobody knows how these vaccines are going to affect some people's DNA down the road. There are some big big surprises coming about these vaccines at a later date and I don't beat want to be one of those people that are surprised. But your government thanks you for being one of the willing guinea pigs.

And, I thank the government for being able to return to normal and not worry about getting sick during a pandemic.

If you want to wait several decades to see the effect of vaccines, that usually defeats the purpose. Have you looked at the long term effects of ivermectin (where there actually is published data? I doubt it... And, yet you still use it (or at least support it).... So the argument of wanting to wait for data cannot work for you when you will not read the data....

I'll trust my Doctors, the CDC, the FDA, and every medical professional that I know....

The worst thing that you can say about the vaccine that is backed by any kind of study is that it may not be as effective in some circumstances (and that is reaching). There is nothing to suggest even a hint of negative side effects and the whole DNA alteration argument has been long debunked....

Quote: Gandler

And, I thank the government for being able to return to normal and not worry about getting sick during a pandemic.

If you want to wait several decades to see the effect of vaccines, that usually defeats the purpose. Have you looked at the long term effects of ivermectin (where there actually is published data? I doubt it... And, yet you still use it (or at least support it).... So the argument of wanting to wait for data cannot work for you when you will not read the data....

I'll trust my Doctors, the CDC, the FDA, and every medical professional that I know....

The worst thing that you can say about the vaccine that is backed by any kind of study is that it may not be as effective in some circumstances (and that is reaching). There is nothing to suggest even a hint of negative side effects and the whole DNA alteration argument has been long debunked....

What are the long term effects of taking Ivermectin and hydroxycloroquine.
Trumpers are scared of long term effects of a vaccine but ignore long term effects of medications taken on the advice clowns on the internet
Too funny