The Coronavirus thread

Quote: terapined

Its total insanity
Doesn't take the vaccine that absolutely works
Takes the drugs that absolutely don't work
Stunning

The efficacy of the vaccines is falling fast. According to Israel's government data it is down to about 50%. Because they have government medical and are fully computerized they can track the cases and the people very easily. A significant and increasing number of vaccinated people are ending up in hospital.

Are you better off vaccinated? Yes I believe so, but quit pretending that it even close to 100% effective. There are also significant side effects for a small percentage of people but overall you are safer being vaccinated. Are there going to be some long term side effects show up? Almost for sure there will be some but hopefully they will be minor. It is a non zero percentage of people for sure.

Even if you never had problems with taking Tylenol it can cause a skin reaction that can be fatal.

But listen, peanuts kill people. A bee sting can kill some. Baby powder maybe can cause cancer.

It's all odds. Or should be. Why should a vaccine have such a exaggerated reaction of fear?

Quote: Gandler

I'll trust my Doctors, the CDC, the FDA, and every medical professional that I know....
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And I trust the doctors and medical people I've talked to who are not getting vaccinated because they're not sticking something in their body that has not been tested and vetted for long-term effects.

Quote: kenarman

Are you better off vaccinated? Yes I believe so, but quit pretending that it even close to 100% effective.

Believe so?????????
Absolutely better off
Look at hospitalization odds
Belief has nothing to do with it
Nobody is claiming 100% effective
That is exactly why I and the vaccinated still mask up
This virus really scares me despite being vaccinated
I am well aware that I can die from Covid despite being vaccinated
But
Due to vaccination, odds of having to go to a hospital when you do get covid is minimal
Allen West is in the hospital and is still ranting against vaccines
If he took the vaccine, odds are he would not have had to go to the hospital if he caught Covid
Some people are just so stupid
The vaccine saves lives. It doesn't prevent Covid, it simply gives the body more tools to fight Covid
Odds are you wont have to go to the hospital if you get Covid

Anybody that says the vaccine is 100% effective is a dumb stupid clown right up there with the dumb stupid anti vaccine trumpers

Quote: terapined

Believe so?????????
Absolutely better off
Look at hospitalization odds
Belief has nothing to do with it
Nobody is claiming 100% effective
That is exactly why I and the vaccinated still mask up
This virus really scares me despite being vaccinated
I am well aware that I can die from Covid despite being vaccinated
But
Due to vaccination, odds of having to go to a hospital when you do get covid is minimal
Allen West is in the hospital and is still ranting against vaccines
If he took the vaccine, odds are he would not have had to go to the hospital if he caught Covid
Some people are just so stupid
The vaccine saves lives. It doesn't prevent Covid, it simply gives the body more tools to fight Covid
Odds are you wont have to go to the hospital if you get Covid

Anybody that says the vaccine is 100% effective is a dumb stupid clown right up there with the dumb stupid anti vaccine trumpers

You mention hospitilization odds without giving any. I expect the true odds are not as low as you think. The quote below is from the Washington Post.

"So an unvaccinated Israeli is about three times as likely to end up in the hospital as their vaccinated compatriot." Far from the 90+% odds being thrown around.

Quote: kenarman

You mention hospitilization odds without giving any.

I dont have to
The odds of surviving covid vaccinated are much better then not getting vaccinated
You can quibble about numbers but the odds always in favor of the vaccine
This is just common sense
Bottom line
I doubt there is a hospital on the planet that has more vaccinated patients suffering from covid then unvaccinated patients suffering from Covid
The vaccine works as every hospital has more unvaccinated suffering then vaccinated

Quote: kenarman

"So an unvaccinated Israeli is about three times as likely to end up in the hospital as their vaccinated compatriot."

3 times more likely to be hospitalized if unvaccinated tells me the vaccine is a huge success.
Those are odds hugely in favor of the vaccine
Its not even close
Vaccine wins by a landslide

Quote: terapined

I dont have to
The odds of surviving covid vaccinated are much better then not getting vaccinated

Not really. The odds of recovering from covid on your own unvaccinated, depending on your age, are 98 to 99% recovery rate. How is being vaccinated going to make it 'much better' then 98 to 99%. The initial point of getting vaccinated was to stop you from getting covid at all. Now we see that after three or four months most of that wears off and if you are vaccinated and get covid you probably won't die. But if the recovery rate is 98 to 99% you probably won't die even if you're not vaccinated.

Quote: ams288

You keep repeating this nonsense.

At one of his recent cult rallies, Donny told his followers to get vaccinated and they booed him.

You really think there is some form of “leadership” that Joe Biden could show to convince these idiotic nutbags to get vaccinated when they won’t even listen to Donny? Puh-leez!

I keep repeating the truth about vaccine hesitancy--it covers a wide swath of people and your puppet President could reach out to all those non-Trumpers out there in a much better way. I don't disagree with you about the percentages, and I don't like them, but there is a number of people that he could reach with a little effort.

Would it get everybody vaccinated? No. It would help increase the percentages overall.

Your position seems to be the same as that of this White House...Trump caused every conceivable problem. Except, well, he didn't. You elected a President incapable of handling the issues of the day. He should have the infrastructure bill passed, but he has been co-opted by his own party for some bill that will screw everything up even further.

Quote: RonC

You elected a President incapable of handling the issues of the day. He should have the infrastructure bill passed, but he has been co-opted by his own party for some bill that will screw everything up even further.

Nah. Had they passed the infrastructure bill already, it would allow the “moderates” to simply walk away from the other bill. Everyone knows that’s what would happen, so it’s common sense to not pass it until they have a deal on reconciliation.

It will “screw up everything even further” sounds like GOP fear-mongering nonsense.

Quote: ams288

Nah. Had they passed the infrastructure bill already, it would allow the “moderates” to simply walk away from the other bill. Everyone knows that’s what would happen, so it’s common sense to not pass it until they have a deal on reconciliation.

It will “screw up everything even further” sounds like GOP fear-mongering nonsense.

Damn. Then the president would actually have to work with people to pass a better bill. That would be so sad.

As usual, the huge bill is not going to "cost zero" and it will be a failure. All of the nice sounding things in the bill aren't really "paid for" by the bill and some costs will be passed to the States in yet another set of unfunded mandates.

"Under Biden's plan, the federal government would cover about 75% of the average tuition cost in each state when the program is fully implemented, with states picking up the rest. States would also be expected to maintain their current contributions to their higher education systems."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/09/12/politics/house-reconciliation-package-explainer/index.html

The bill will not pay for itself and taxes, and/or costs, to the working folks will rise.

Some of the things in the bill may even benefit me...but I don't want you paying any more than you already may be for me. I do not believe in the ability of our government to keep costs in line and make a bill cost "nothing"...