Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

Quote: Gandler

What prevents you from going in the ballot box with your parents (as you can if they need medical assistance) and casting whatever you want? .....


Bad argument...

I’m assuming you never took a logic course? Your argument lacks any logical basis. It in no way answers my question. Your example later is of a man who is in need of help expressing his choice. I am 100% in favor of that. And counting that vote. My question is what prevents the son from just filling out the ballots that were mailed to the parents? Imagine an abusive husband and father. ‘I’ll fill those out for you and the (young adult) kids.’ How will we know that each individual got to exercise his or her own franchise? (I like that phrase!).

In simple terms.... in a mail in ballot how do we know the person whose name is on the ballot filled intuit? If you can’t answer that cogently then you are admitting the possibility of fraud exists and will be unchecked.

Quote: SOOPOO

In simple terms.... in a mail in ballot how do we know the person whose name is on the ballot filled intuit? If you can’t answer that cogently then you are admitting the possibility of fraud exists and will be unchecked.

I have to admit there is no way we can know who filled it out when done by mail.

Quote: SOOPOO

I’m assuming you never took a logic course?

That's what I assumed. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Quote: SOOPOO

I’m assuming you never took a logic course? Your argument lacks any logical basis. It in no way answers my question. Your example later is of a man who is in need of help expressing his choice. I am 100% in favor of that. And counting that vote. My question is what prevents the son from just filling out the ballots that were mailed to the parents? Imagine an abusive husband and father. ‘I’ll fill those out for you and the (young adult) kids.’ How will we know that each individual got to exercise his or her own franchise? (I like that phrase!).

In simple terms.... in a mail in ballot how do we know the person whose name is on the ballot filled intuit? If you can’t answer that cogently then you are admitting the possibility of fraud exists and will be unchecked.

I'll take the risk. Democrats have the same risk.

Republicans keep trying to prove voter fraud without ever proving it's a significant risk.

What's a doctor who keeps trying to push medicine a patient doesn't need?

Quote: rxwine

I'll take the risk. Democrats have the same risk.

Republicans keep trying to prove voter fraud without ever proving it's a significant risk.

What's a doctor who keeps trying to push medicine a patient doesn't need?

You do not wait to be robbed to put a lock on the door. A child can see mail-in voting is a recipe for fraud.

Quote: AZDuffman

You do not wait to be robbed to put a lock on the door. A child can see mail-in voting is a recipe for fraud.

Of course it is, that's why Dems are
all salivating over it. The perfect
undetectable crime. Fashion fatty
model Stacey Abrams is pushing
for total 'at home' voting this fall.
Too dangerous because of the virus
to go to the polling place. She'll
be voting from her permanent
booth at Golden Corral.

Some of her Corral friends:

Quote: AZDuffman

You do not wait to be robbed to put a lock on the door. A child can see mail-in voting is a recipe for fraud.

I don't have a problem with making a fix for it, but am not worried. There's no reason to not to believe cheaters on both sides won't cancel each other out.

Now if we're talking some of the republican moves that proportionally affect thousands of people on one side, that can be a real unbalanced issue.

Quote: SOOPOO

I’m assuming you never took a logic course? Your argument lacks any logical basis. It in no way answers my question. Your example later is of a man who is in need of help expressing his choice. I am 100% in favor of that. And counting that vote. My question is what prevents the son from just filling out the ballots that were mailed to the parents? Imagine an abusive husband and father. ‘I’ll fill those out for you and the (young adult) kids.’ How will we know that each individual got to exercise his or her own franchise? (I like that phrase!).

In simple terms.... in a mail in ballot how do we know the person whose name is on the ballot filled intuit? If you can’t answer that cogently then you are admitting the possibility of fraud exists and will be unchecked.

What is a "logic course"? ……

I have taken many courses that involve research and I cannot find any widespread abuse of mail in ballots.

There are verifications to prevent what you just said. Including signature verifications.

“Every single signature on every single ballot that is returned to a county election official is checked against the signature on file in a voter’s registration record. This enables officials to do to two things: (1) ensure the ballot was returned by an eligible voter, and (2) if the signature on the ballot envelope does not match the signature on file, it gives the voter a chance to either update their record or alert election officials that the ballot returned may be fraudulent.”

There is simply no evidence that voting by mail is more unsecure than in person voting. It is literally the exact same verification. When in person you sign, and they match your signature and you go vote, the same thing for mail....

In your example can your son forge your parents signature? If so he can go to the poll station and vote anyway.....

If there is a flag with the signature the same safeguards are initiated with mail in ballots....

I have a better question that does not rely on anecdotes (maybe something your logic course should teach), can you show evidence of higher rates of fraud through mail in ballots than in person voting?

You are making a claim that mail in ballots increase fraud. The burden is on you to prove that claim.
(That is how logic works, the claimant has the burden)…..


Even though I can easily show safeguards and show the low cases of potential fraud, I do not need to.



https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/is-voting-by-mail-safe-and-reliable-we-asked-state-and-local-elections-officials/
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/18/us/voter-fraud.html
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/05/04/coronavirus-election-prepare-mail-voting-save-democracy-column/3074702001/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mail-in-ballot-voter-fraud/

They haven’t been able to prove fraud for several decades now. The Bush administration studied it and found nothing. Trump disbanded his stupid commission because they found nothing also.

The only elections republicans can win is when less people vote. It’s not something to be particularly proud of.

Quote: Tripdufan

They haven’t been able to prove fraud for several decades now. The Bush administration studied it and found nothing. Trump disbanded his stupid commission because they found nothing also.

The only elections republicans can win is when less people vote. It’s not something to be particularly proud of.

Of course, that is why they rely on irrelevant anecdotes masquerading as logic....