SCOTUS Vacancy

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September 19th, 2020 at 2:57:06 PM permalink
JCW09
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This is going to be a spicy addition to the 2020 Election
Many everyday American voters weren't considering SCOTUS as an election issue
Now it will be front and center
Biden will be forced to publish his SCOTUS list
Donny will nominate Amy Coney Barrett by the end of September
The Dems don't have the Senate votes to stop the confirmation
They won't have majority in both houses to expand the SCOTUS
Changing a law that dates back 150+ years won't go over well with the majority of voters
Ten days until D Day for Sleepy Joe at the first debate
So all of this may be moot by the time 10/1 rolls around.
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September 19th, 2020 at 3:06:12 PM permalink
ams288
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This one seems to be energizing the left way more than the right. Look at how much money the Dems have raised in the last 24 hours.
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September 19th, 2020 at 3:37:08 PM permalink
JCW09
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Historically according to NPR's Nina Totenberg (Legal Affairs Correspondent): "In the National Election what we have seen fairly consistently is the SCOTUS as an issue favors conservatives because they vote on that issue and often times it is their primary motivation for voting. That is NOT true for liberals"
Whoever has energy in November may not matter
Donny & Cocaine Mitch will jam through ACB based on the "elections have consequences" mantra
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September 19th, 2020 at 3:56:04 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Trump will wait. There isn't enough time
between now and Nov 3rd, 44 days
away. It takes on average 55-70 days
to complete the process. Having
a seat to fill is a hell of an inducement
for Cons to vote.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
September 19th, 2020 at 4:04:21 PM permalink
Shrek
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Quote: JCW09
Historically according to NPR's Nina Totenberg (Legal Affairs Correspondent): "In the National Election what we have seen fairly consistently is the SCOTUS as an issue favors conservatives because they vote on that issue and often times it is their primary motivation for voting. That is NOT true for liberals"

You can't bother that guy with facts. He lives in his own little world. It's similar to Never Never Land.
It's called Libbie Libbie Land. 😂😂


Quote: Evenbob
Trump will wait. There isn't enough time
between now and Nov 3rd, 44 days
away. It takes on average 55-70 days
to complete the process. Having
a seat to fill is a hell of an inducement
for Cons to vote.

Yeah, the libbies are too clever by half. They want to wait until after the election, but they're so stupid that they don't realize it's a HUGE motivator for Trump voters lol! 🤣
September 19th, 2020 at 4:20:14 PM permalink
Tripdufan
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Cracks me up to see people cite historical precedent, as if the Trump era hasn’t broken enough norms.

Democrats had their biggest turn out in the 2018 midterm since the 70s, pre-covid. These aren’t normal times. Comparing them to a time when we had a normal human being as president is ridiculous.
September 19th, 2020 at 5:27:11 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Someone gathered a bunch of these up in one place.

2016, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas): “It has been 80 years since a Supreme Court vacancy was nominated and confirmed in an election year. There is a long tradition that you don’t do this in an election year.”

2018, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.): “If an opening comes in the last year of President Trump’s term, and the primary process has started, we’ll wait to the next election.”

2016, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.): “I don’t think we should be moving on a nominee in the last year of this president’s term - I would say that if it was a Republican president.”

2016, Sen. David Perdue (R-Ga.): “The very balance of our nation’s highest court is in serious jeopardy. As a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, I will do everything in my power to encourage the president and Senate leadership not to start this process until we hear from the American people.”

2016, Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-Iowa): “A lifetime appointment that could dramatically impact individual freedoms and change the direction of the court for at least a generation is too important to get bogged down in politics. The American people shouldn’t be denied a voice.”

2016, Sen. Thom Tillis (R-N.C.): “The campaign is already under way. It is essential to the institution of the Senate and to the very health of our republic to not launch our nation into a partisan, divisive confirmation battle during the very same time the American people are casting their ballots to elect our next president.”

2016, Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.): “In this election year, the American people will have an opportunity to have their say in the future direction of our country. For this reason, I believe the vacancy left open by Justice Antonin Scalia should not be filled until there is a new president.”

2016, Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.): “The Senate should not confirm a new Supreme Court justice until we have a new president.”

2016, Sen. Cory Gardner (R-Col.): “I think we’re too close to the election. The president who is elected in November should be the one who makes this decision.”

2016, Sen. Rob Portman (R-Ohio): “I believe the best thing for the country is to trust the American people to weigh in on who should make a lifetime appointment that could reshape the Supreme Court for generations. This wouldn’t be unusual. It is common practice for the Senate to stop acting on lifetime appointments during the last year of a presidential term, and it’s been nearly 80 years since any president was permitted to immediately fill a vacancy that arose in a presidential election year.”

2016, Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wisc.): “I strongly agree that the American people should decide the future direction of the Supreme Court by their votes for president and the majority party in the U.S. Senate.”

“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.”
Mitch McConnell, March 2016
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September 19th, 2020 at 5:52:54 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: Dalex64



“The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.”
Mitch McConnell, March 2016


Agree. But MORE so now. That was March. This is September. I think attempting to ram through a candidate so close to the election will backfire. I think this energized the Democrats more than Trump’s base. Plus I think there are enough Senators who feel that it is just wrong to allow Trump to ram through a nomination when they themselves blocked Garland. Time will tell if I’m right.
September 19th, 2020 at 8:30:14 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Evenbob
Having a seat to fill is a hell of an inducement for Cons to vote.


Not just one but probably a second as well

Stephen Gerald Breyer August 15, 1938 (age 82) : Clinton

The whole group of Republican nominated justices could number 7 and all be younger than age 72
Clarence Thomas (born June 23, 1948 | age 72) : HW Bush
Samuel Anthony Alito Jr. (born April 1, 1950| age 70) : GW Bush
John Glover Roberts Jr. (born January 27, 1955| age 65) : GW Bush
Brett Michael Kavanaugh (born February 12, 1965| age 55) : Trump
Neil McGill Gorsuch ( born August 29, 1967| age 73) : Trump

Trump could end up tied with Nixon for highest number of nominations during the Presidency (post WWII)
5 Eisenhower: Warren Brennan Whittaker Stewart Harlan
4 Nixon: Burger Powell Blackmun Rehnquist
3 Reagan: Kennedy O'Connor Scalia elevated Rehnquist
September 19th, 2020 at 8:59:07 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: SOOPOO
Agree. But MORE so now. That was March. This is September. I think attempting to ram through a candidate so close to the election will backfire. I think this energized the Democrats more than Trump’s base. Plus I think there are enough Senators who feel that it is just wrong to allow Trump to ram through a nomination when they themselves blocked Garland. Time will tell if I’m right.


I think if the Republicans lose either the presidency or the senate, or both, that they will vote someone in during the lame duck, which will then compel the democrats to put more judges onto the supreme court, which will be a hugely divisive political mess.

The Republicans need to do the right thing and not have a confirmation vote until the new terms start in January.
"Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan
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