Biden's Biggest Blunder

Quote: OnceDear

Look guys. I'll be straight, I favour your Dems over your Repubs, and I despair at the lies that your Repubs are clinging to and their evil scheming. But they do it so well!

Lies and scheming?

Quote: AZDuffman

Lies and scheming?

face it, AZ, by comparison Republicans look so bad with theirs, while the Dems NEVER do any of that so, you see ....

Quote: AZDuffman

Lies and scheming?

You aren't aware of them now, I won't have anything to persuade you.
Not going to waste one more moment on such a futile effort

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/adam-kinzinger-rips-republican-party-trump-lies_n_617eb055e4b03072d705811d

Quote: odiousgambit

face it, AZ, by comparison Republicans look so bad with theirs, while the Dems NEVER do any of that so, you see ....

You see a slight difference here ODG. I accept that the Dems, including Biden, lie and scheme too. Just not very effectively.
But in AZD's mind, the republicans can do no wrong. Trump never lied. Never schemed. Had nobody on his team lying or scheming. no siree. Just good honest to goodness stewardship.

Quote: OnceDear

You aren't aware of them now, I won't have anything to persuade you.
Not going to waste one more moment on such a futile effort

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/adam-kinzinger-rips-republican-party-trump-lies_n_617eb055e4b03072d705811d

I am not asking you to waste your time explaining. I am asking you to just be honest and say you are a liberal so favor the Democrat Party.

Huffington Post as a source? Really?

Quote: AZDuffman

I am not asking you to waste your time explaining. I am asking you to just be honest and say you are a liberal so favor the Democrat Party.

Huffington Post as a source? Really?

I'm happy to be called a liberal. And I favour your Democrat Party. Though as the lessor of two evils.

Over here in blighty, we have the Right leaning Conservative Party and the Left leaning Labour Party. Both are actually pretty centrist.
Our Prime minister (Johnson) is of the incumbent Conservative Party. My vote changes from time to time as policies change. The Conservatives got my vote last time I voted. Johnson is a bit of a hypocrite.
Unlike your system. Our lower house majority decides the party of the Prime Minister. Our upper house is not elected! It operates a bit like a 500 seat Supreme Court, with life time appointments.

Huffington Post was reporting what a Republican said to the ABC News network. He said lots of stuff pejorative of his party. Doesn't matter where he said it.

Prefer Reuters?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-us-rep-kinzinger-who-voted-impeach-trump-will-not-seek-re-election-2021-10-29/
or maybe Fox? Only kidding. Fox hate him, that should be enough.

Quote: OnceDear

I'm happy to be called a liberal. And I favour your Democrat Party. Though as the lessor of two evils.

Over here in blighty, we have the Right leaning Conservative Party and the Left leaning Labour Party. Both are actually pretty centrist.
Our Prime minister (Johnson) is of the incumbent Conservative Party. My vote changes from time to time as policies change. The Conservatives got my vote last time I voted. Johnson is a bit of a hypocrite.
Unlike your system. Our lower house majority decides the party of the Prime Minister. Our upper house is not elected! It operates a bit like a 500 seat Supreme Court, with life time appointments.

Huffington Post was reporting what a Republican said to the ABC News network. He said lots of stuff pejorative of his party. Doesn't matter where he said it.

Prefer Reuters?
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-us-rep-kinzinger-who-voted-impeach-trump-will-not-seek-re-election-2021-10-29/
or maybe Fox? Only kidding. Fox hate him, that should be enough.

I really do not care what a RINO says about the GOP. If he hates it so much he should run as a Democrat. GOP shares most of my values, the Democrat Party shares few if any.

Quote: RonC

Just coming in and trying to change all of Trump's policies without taking the time to figure out if parts of them worked, is an example of not being a leader. .

He's probably aware of 30 years of policies including 8 years as Vice President. Not sure what policies Trump was aware of when he initiated his.

Quote: OnceDear

Look guys. I'll be straight, I favour your Dems over your Repubs, and I despair at the lies that your Repubs are clinging to and their evil scheming. But they do it so well!

All that said, the realist in me sees things going VERY badly for the Dems in your mid terms, and no hope in sight* for 2024.

No hope in sight for the Dems keeping the Whitehouse and no hope in sight for the world when they don't. With a likely red wave in 2022, Biden will be completely hog-tied and will bumble towards inevitable defeat in 2024. Think trump was bad? That was just a rehearsal.

I obviously agree with your 2022 take, but I'm not so sure about 2024. For one thing, do we evn have any standouts in either party that look like a sure thing for the nomination, much less the Oval Office? I'd be surprised if Biden even runs again. Hell, I WON'T be surprised if he's dead by then and I really don't see Kamala Harris winning the Presidency...especially if she only finishes out a small part of Biden's term. She pretty much got massacred in the primaries and clearly never had a chance, other than by virtue of being the VEEP in and of itself, I haven't seen anything that would make her a stronger candidate now.

So, I think 2024 is going to be NOT Joe Biden v. ????

Which makes it hard to predict. If nothing else, I'm kind of hoping to see a Moderate v. a Moderate in 2024 as recent events (and the voting tendencies of Independents) should demonstrate, pretty clearly, that they really don't care for the extremes of EITHER side now that they have seen the extremes of both and we get back to the status quo of Moderate v. Moderate.

So, my outlook is a little more optimistic, strangely enough. I think we are going to see a referendum against Extreme-(Left or Right) politics. Why the hell are we listening to Evangelicals, conspiracy nuts or idiot college kids with no life experiences to speak of, anyway?

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Even though I wish Biden and the Dems every success, they come across as a complete cluster****. Whether Biden is senile* or not, he is successfully being portrayed as senile. Whether he pooped his pants or not, the reputation is sticking. Whether the 2020 election was stolen or not... well folk's believe and nobody's being swayed.

Apart from a house plant being better than trump, the Dems have nothing. No plan B. No strong VP ready to step forward, probably no good candidate for 2024.
Meanwhile trump lurks. If not him, then someone he endorses. Best we can hope for is that trump splits the Repubs, but when your best hope is that your opponent fails, you better not be seen to fail yourself. Hear that Biden?

The, "Pooped his pants," is sticking? Is this your only outlet for U.S. political news? I haven't heard about this anywhere but on here.

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From over on this side of the pond, it looks like every vote now is a vote of no confidence in Biden personally, and a despair that the Dems are delivering nothing by trying to deliver too much. The repugnant Repubs are not helping, of course, being very skilled in their craft of manipulating every aspect of government and of public opinion. They just grind away, at democracy, at truth, and at civil rights of 'the lower classes', The Dems are out of their depth. Heck, infighting by the few shows they always were.

Well, that's what playing for the Far Left will get you. I don't know what makes you think that manipulating public opinion is a strength of the Republicans, but you're free to believe whatever you like. I don't know what's repugnant, other than White Evangelicals, of course....what do you want the rest of them to do, vote for a wide swath of proposals that would be economically devastating?

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Yup. Threatened indeed. And like a rabbit in the headlights.

I think Abigail Spanberger was right (though dammit woman, shut the hell up: Don't tell the world) when she said "Nobody elected him to be F.D.R., they elected him to be normal and stop the chaos," Seems she is on the button to me.

With his slim majority in the house and no real majority in the Senate, Biden and the Dems were dumb to push big spending plans. If they had simply tackled Covid well and not screwed up the optics of Afghanistan, they would have had some chance. As it is, I can't see this ending well..... Lose House or Senate and Biden really will be stymied. Inevitable?

Oh yes, and did that whole debt ceiling thing get resolved? That's another ticking time bomb. Tick Tock.

*I think Biden is indeed senile or heading that way. The Presidency takes it's toll always and you always needed a younger guy.

I don't know who that is, but that's what I said above. I think that there's a very good chance that 2024 can be a return to moderate politics and, over the course of a few decades, we continue a slightly leftward trajectory in terms of economic policy.

The first thing that needs to happen is an increase (though not to $15/hour) to Minimum Wage and then Index it to inflation thereafter. The biggest problem with adopting any new policy to solve a problem is that the policy itself usually creates a different problem, or kicks a different can down the road, but Indexing MW to inflation completely eliminates a future problem. You're not just placating the Left for a time and waiting for some years for it to become a fighting point...you're actually solving the issue.

Finally, I think you're missing that they don't really HAVE the Senate in the first place. I keep trying to tell you guys that, when it comes to fundamental outlook, Joe Manchin would be a Moderate Republican if he represented almost any other state. It's 49-50, someone who leans slightly their way just because he needs the support of the party and a tie-breaking vote...but there's no way Manchin is going to vote in favor of some of the more extreme proposals.

The party should be happy about that, actually. I don't imagine that you will see another Democrat representing WV in the Senate anytime soon after Manchin retires, but I could be wrong. The only reason it's the case now is because Manchin was a fairly well-liked Governor and state-level politics in WV are more of a toss-up.

Quote: rxwine

He's probably aware of 30 years of policies including 8 years as Vice President. Not sure what policies Trump was aware of when he initiated his.

IIRC, trump's policies were quite clear:
1: What did Obama build that I can wreck? I'll teach him to mock me at that after dinner speech.
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1b
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2: What will enrich me the quickest?
3: What will get me the most adulation from my base? Most publicity?
4: What will require least effort so that I can play golf?
5: What does Steve Miller suggest?