General Election 2024

This was never about Trump.

Trump represents any American in the legal system that's been accused and abused.

It could be us and it will be if not prevented.


But let's look at the legal system, ignoring the above.

The system is designed based upon the economic class of the accused.

Meaning, the more money the accused has access to, the lower the odds of conviction.

So a poor person (less than rich) has a slimmer chance of a favorable ruling.


Then to top it off, the entity that's accusing could be the same entity that convicts a person (conflict of interest).

The accuser and the one that convicts have unlimited assets relative to the accused, if the accuser is a government.


And if the accused is a bank, most of the time (if not all), money is used to settle out of court.

So the guilt is buried and the same thing happens over and over again.

Pay to play.


It's all about power through money, not whether something is right nor wrong.

Donny better start selling some more NFTs if he wants to pay the half billion he now owes.

Melania sure as hell ain’t gonna stay with someone who is cash poor!

Quote: Mission146

Here’s an article:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/16/opinions/trump-ny-fraud-ruling-355-million-orentlicher/index.html


I could have swore I read something where someone predicted this sort of sentiment. Multiple things, in fact. Where could I possibly have read those?

Yup, and there's no guarantee that leaving Trump alone would guarantee he would become less popular and lose the election. Besides, we'd start hearing, "well, if he was guilty why didn't you charge him" and "you didn't charge him, he must not be guilty of anything."

Trump has spent his whole life defending himself by calling other people, the liars, frauds and cheats. He's doing what he's always done and people are making him out as an anti-hero. He's just become a lot more unsuccessful at it.

Quote: rxwine

Yup, and there's no guarantee that leaving Trump alone would guarantee he would become less popular and lose the election. Besides, we'd start hearing, "well, if he was guilty why didn't you charge him" and "you didn't charge him, he must not be guilty of anything."

Trump has spent his whole life defending himself by calling other people, the liars, frauds and cheats. He's doing what he's always done and people are making him out as an anti-hero. He's just become a lot more unsuccessful at it.

I'm not going to dispute your first paragraph, but the thing is, you pick and choose.

For example, the Georgia phone call---nailed to the cross.

Incitement? Doubt it, but you can make a case. I don't think you have to make the case; I think if you leave it alone, Trump fades into obscurity and is seen as unelectable even if he gets the nomination.

Losing a civil case because of a 20+ year old rape claim for which there is no evidence and you can't even get the accusation down to a nine month window? Blatant targeting. The claims aren't even theoretically falsifiable, due to how unspecific they are. They did specify a specific place, but there were no witnesses, an unusual set of circumstances is alleged...and most importantly....it's a nine-month window. The location also happens to be all but next door to where Trump lives. The only support for the claims is two personal friends of the Plaintiff claiming she called them about it...neither of them (one also a journalist) happened to note so much as the month for such an important claim, of what would be a serious crime, either. Yeah, they totally couldn't be compelled to lie; they don't even need financial motivation; they probably hate Trump anyway.

As far as the fraud case for misreporting of value, I would assume that's something that is pretty frequent and you could go after all sorts of folks for similar, if you really wanted to. It's kind of like the Hunter Biden thing; if that was normally enforced, then the justice system would be clogged with pretty much people just being charged for similar.

The problem is that those who support him are becoming more fully entrenched on his side; the bigger problem is that you're flipping people who didn't support him. Not throwing every case you possibly can at him, however ridiculous, isn't going to flip anyone to being on his side.

The classified documents case is fairly legit.

Quote: rxwine

Yup, and there's no guarantee that leaving Trump alone would guarantee he would become less popular and lose the election. Besides, we'd start hearing, "well, if he was guilty why didn't you charge him" and "you didn't charge him, he must not be guilty of anything."

Trump has spent his whole life defending himself by calling other people, the liars, frauds and cheats. He's doing what he's always done and people are making him out as an anti-hero. He's just become a lot more unsuccessful at it.

On the other side of the lopsided coin (Trump is in way more peril than Biden is even potentially in at this point) your lines are being used by the President's team and media support networks right now.

We'll never know about leaving him alone because no one can look away. The amount of publicity he gets on a daily basis is amazing. Sure, lots of it makes some people hate him more, but some of it also likely helps convince people who aren't sure that they may just be out to get him.

I'm more worried about Biden getting poll numbers up and not decaying fully on camera finally and how that affects the election.

I remember reading about study where they tried to determine if people at the end of life, can really stay alive, to see some event like a granddaughter baby being born or a graduation, or something important to them, and results were not good. People routinely died about as often as expected regardless of an important event.

Quote: Mission146

I'm not going to dispute your first paragraph, but the thing is, you pick and choose.

For example, the Georgia phone call---nailed to the cross.

Incitement? Doubt it, but you can make a case. I don't think you have to make the case; I think if you leave it alone, Trump fades into obscurity and is seen as unelectable even if he gets the nomination.

Losing a civil case because of a 20+ year old rape claim for which there is no evidence and you can't even get the accusation down to a nine month window? Blatant targeting. The claims aren't even theoretically falsifiable, due to how unspecific they are. They did specify a specific place, but there were no witnesses, an unusual set of circumstances is alleged...and most importantly....it's a nine-month window. The location also happens to be all but next door to where Trump lives. The only support for the claims is two personal friends of the Plaintiff claiming she called them about it...neither of them (one also a journalist) happened to note so much as the month for such an important claim, of what would be a serious crime, either. Yeah, they totally couldn't be compelled to lie; they don't even need financial motivation; they probably hate Trump anyway.

As far as the fraud case for misreporting of value, I would assume that's something that is pretty frequent and you could go after all sorts of folks for similar, if you really wanted to. It's kind of like the Hunter Biden thing; if that was normally enforced, then the justice system would be clogged with pretty much people just being charged for similar.

The problem is that those who support him are becoming more fully entrenched on his side; the bigger problem is that you're flipping people who didn't support him. Not throwing every case you possibly can at him, however ridiculous, isn't going to flip anyone to being on his side.

The classified documents case is fairly legit.

The GA phone call was an obvious attempt at election fraud. Trump and his codefendants are rightfully charged with crimes in GA, in part due to that phone call. Same with the Wash DC Jan 6 charges. Candidates for office should never be able to escape penalty for trying to rig or steal elections, and this includes Donnie.

Juries have spoken about E Jean Carroll's cases-twice. Perhaps you would have voted differently had you been on the jury. But, you weren't. He received due process, and now the ball is in Donnie's court for an appeal.

As for the fraud case, I have a challenge to anyone who thinks this was much ado about nothing, that the banks weren't victims, yada yada yada. Let me know the next time you willingly go into business with someone who knowingly tries to cheat you out of money, or is so untrustworthy that you are compelled to verify everything they say and do. And "everyone does it" isn't a defense. And if "everyone does it", then maybe more people should be quaking in the their boots due to their financial misdeeds.

Ignoring Donnie's alleged misdeeds aren't going to allow him to fade into history. He is too bombastic, narcissistic and is too much of a bully and barbarian for that. Ignoring his alleged misdeeds-especially his election fraud and insurrection misdeeds will only embolden him more.

The “we shouldn’t prosecute criminals for their crimes” argument in regards to Donny has always seemed dumb as sh** to me.

I think the 2016 election broke a lot of people’s minds and convinced them that he is some invincible electoral genius (meanwhile the 2020 election seems to have been memory-holed, not to mention pretty much every other mid-term and special election since 2016).

Nobody tried to steal an election on January 6th; the so-called, "Insurrectionists," succeeded only in obstructing an official proceeding...and they should have been put down like dogs and weren't; that would have ended that. In any event, there was no world in which January 6th changing the result of the election was even a theoretically possible outcome. The news just likes drama, as do most people who pay any attention to politics. I've already stipulated the Georgia phone call is actionable; I think he's dead to rights there, or should be.

Juries are made up mostly of idiots. In the case of New York State, they are made up of mostly idiots who can be assumed to be highly biased against Trump for reasons both including, and predating, his Presidency. Also, I understand the anonymity is for their own protection, but that absolutely would never fly in a criminal trial; at least, it shouldn't. If you're supposed to be judged by a jury of your peers and you are not anonymous, then how can anonymous people be your peers? As far as appeal and his election prospects, especially on the Carroll case, he probably half hopes to lose. Think about it---now he can argue that even higher level courts are against him.

The Democrats directly involved in these things, who are morons, should have focused only on the stuff related to the election and, I guess, the so-called, "Insurrection." This other stuff is what makes it look like systematic railroading and could have waited. The states trying to keep him off the ballot were being profoundly ridiculous and, for all of these reasons, he now has a chance to win this year whereas he'd have been massacred otherwise.

There will be no quaking in any boots because the system wouldn't make such an effort to deeply investigate such matters for others; that's the entire point.

Tucker corners an historian related to freedom of speech.


This video shows how to alter elections psychologically.

I think Mike Benz is his name.


It's about an hour long or so and I've only watched 15 minutes.

It's a tough 15 minutes to listen to.

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Tucker Carlson: Ep. 75 "What I’m describing is military rule". "It’s the inversion of democracy."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYxcM4DqlyY

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