General Election 2024

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July 27th, 2022 at 6:30:55 AM permalink
ams288
Member since: Apr 21, 2016
Threads: 29
Posts: 13466
Quote: AZDuffman
I think most indies are think your way. They think the world is ending. Fact is abortion has pretty much never been the deciding issue on a candidate. Years ago we had one in PA running saying abortion! Abortion! Abortion! She lost big.

It’s the economy, stupid!




lol
“A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman
July 27th, 2022 at 7:41:38 AM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 199
Posts: 20101
What comes with the "abortion" issue is all of the other religious right agenda. Separation of church and state, LBGQT issues, birth control pill bans, probably more freedom for religion and less for the rest.
Deep State = sensible people trying to derail the sociopath
July 27th, 2022 at 3:49:33 PM permalink
DRich
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 54
Posts: 5457
Quote: rxwine
What comes with the "abortion" issue is all of the other religious right agenda. Separation of church and state, LBGQT issues, birth control pill bans, probably more freedom for religion and less for the rest.


Just become religious and then you will have it all.
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.
July 31st, 2022 at 2:00:50 AM permalink
Pacomartin
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 1068
Posts: 12569
Quote: AZDuffman
It’s the economy, stupid!


Do you think those federal deficits are going to decide the election this fall, or are we immune.
$236,241 2000
$128,236 2001
-$157,758 2002
-$377,585 2003
-$412,727 2004
-$318,346 2005
-$248,181 2006
-$160,701 2007
-$458,553 2008
-$1,412,688 2009
-$1,294,373 2010
-$1,299,599 2011
-$1,076,573 2012
-$679,775 2013
-$484,793 2014
-$441,960 2015
-$584,650 2016
-$665,446 2017
-$779,138 2018
-$983,592 2019
-$3,132,439 2020
-$2,775,337 2021
-$1,414,950 2022
July 31st, 2022 at 2:40:19 AM permalink
AZDuffman
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 136
Posts: 19214
Quote: Pacomartin
Do you think those federal deficits are going to decide the election this fall, or are we immune.


Only time deficit really mattered was to Perot voters, so I do not think most voters even know the difference between "debt" and "deficit."

I have resigned myself to eventual dollar collapse or inflating the debt away as they did in the 1970s. The GOP cannot make even a modest proposal to cut it without the media carrying water for Democrat ads of old women in wheelchairs being pushed off cliffs so the GOP no longer bothers.
I tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution
July 31st, 2022 at 8:51:03 AM permalink
DRich
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 54
Posts: 5457
Quote: AZDuffman
Only time deficit really mattered was to Perot voters, so I do not think most voters even know the difference between "debt" and "deficit."

I have resigned myself to eventual dollar collapse or inflating the debt away as they did in the 1970s. The GOP cannot make even a modest proposal to cut it without the media carrying water for Democrat ads of old women in wheelchairs being pushed off cliffs so the GOP no longer bothers.


What would happen if America defaulted on all Foreign debt? I realize others would be very unlikely to lend us more money, but do we need that?
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.
July 31st, 2022 at 9:57:17 AM permalink
missedhervee
Member since: Apr 23, 2021
Threads: 119
Posts: 3368
Quote: DRich
What would happen if America defaulted on all Foreign debt? I realize others would be very unlikely to lend us more money, but do we need that?


Well, among other things this would effortlessly catapult China into being World Leader and consign the USA to the same economic status as Greece, at least for awhile.

Whether and how we could recover from such an existential event is unclear.
July 31st, 2022 at 10:38:58 AM permalink
AZDuffman
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 136
Posts: 19214
Quote: DRich
What would happen if America defaulted on all Foreign debt? I realize others would be very unlikely to lend us more money, but do we need that?


It would be the end of the USA. We currently survive based on control of the world financial system. You can have two USA enemies who trade in dollars. If we have to trade real value for real value it is the end. World trade would probably go back to barter.
I tip my hat to the new constitution, take a bow for the new revolution
July 31st, 2022 at 1:59:28 PM permalink
odiousgambit
Member since: Oct 28, 2012
Threads: 158
Posts: 5813
Quote: Pacomartin
Do you think those federal deficits are going to decide the election this fall, or are we immune.
$236,241 2000
$128,236 2001
-$157,758 2002
-$377,585 2003
-$412,727 2004
-$318,346 2005
-$248,181 2006
-$160,701 2007
-$458,553 2008
-$1,412,688 2009
-$1,294,373 2010
-$1,299,599 2011
-$1,076,573 2012
-$679,775 2013
-$484,793 2014
-$441,960 2015
-$584,650 2016
-$665,446 2017
-$779,138 2018
-$983,592 2019
-$3,132,439 2020
-$2,775,337 2021
-$1,414,950 2022
these are times 10^6 ? six more zeroes in other words?
I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me]
July 31st, 2022 at 2:33:13 PM permalink
DRich
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
Threads: 54
Posts: 5457
Quote: AZDuffman
It would be the end of the USA. We currently survive based on control of the world financial system. You can have two USA enemies who trade in dollars. If we have to trade real value for real value it is the end. World trade would probably go back to barter.


Explain how it would be the end f the USA. Other countries exist and they don't control the financial systems.

BTW, the US dollar will fail eventually. All fiat currencies eventually fail.
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.
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