General Election 2024

Quote: GenoDRPh

I will tell you that here in MA, we went to no excuses mail in voting in 2020, in addition to absentee balloting as well as in person. It went so well, and so securely, that the legislature made it a permanent option. Several states went to no excuses mail in voting several years before COVID hit, and there have been no credible claims of malfeasance there.

With the advanced computer systems and data systems we have, there is no reason for any jurisdiction to shun mail in voting. Opposition is just another in a long line of voter suppression efforts on the part of Republicans.

My Republican parents have done mail-in voting in red state Ohio for nearly a decade now.

I can’t wait to hear what never-before-allowed voting malfeasances that odious claims allowed the Dems to cheat in 2020.

A national system to connect state and local voter registration lists

Voter identification based on a universally available REAL ID card

Policies to improve voter access for all communities, as well as innovations like vote centers and voter information lookup sites

Stronger efforts to combat fraud, especially in absentee voting

Auditable paper backups for all voting technology

Quote: ams288

What was allowed during the pandemic that had never been allowed before? And how did that lead to widespread cheating in Dem strongholds (of which you can provide zero evidence)?

The extent of mailed-out-mailed-in voting had never been seen before. Early voting to an extent never seen before [I'm not against this one, but 'just saying']. Allowing 'ballot harvesting' in some states. Mailing out the ballots where it hadn't been done before was very rushed and was immediately shown to be a cluster-f*** . More no-ID voting than ever before. I'm sure I missed something. Ipso facto ridiculous to claim it was the cleanest election ever.

You live under a rock or something.

Quote: odiousgambit

The extent of mailed-out-mailed-in voting had never been seen before. Early voting to an extent never seen before [I'm not against this one, but 'just saying']. Allowing 'ballot harvesting' in some states. Mailing out the ballots where it hadn't been done before was very rushed and was immediately shown to be a cluster-f*** . More no-ID voting than ever before. I'm sure I missed something. Ipso facto ridiculous to claim it was the cleanest election ever.

You live under a rock or something.

So all of the things you claimed never had been done before, had all actually been done before? Just to an extent you personally aren’t comfortable with or something. lol

So why did I go along with this change of topic to whether the last election was the cleanest of all time?

That needed to be challenged because it gets in the way of what I really want to see done: further elections made to be as fair and transparent as we can make them.

Our deflectors get busy with their deflections as a reflex. They need to stop and think. Do they really care about this country? Maybe not. Maybe they are going along with the idea of tearing it down so a socialist state can be constructed.

If so let's take a look again at the biggest Caveat of the year: The outbreak of antisemitism in the US

It's a classic case of how once you go down this road of havoc, you lose control. So many Old Leftists thought they could shake up the US and be in control: we could be tearing things down and going towards socialism, but the Jews would be safe, because the Old Left had that under control. Not to worry! Oops!

Do NOT think you are guaranteed to have it under control, guys. Yeah, minorities and gays and the rest seem really safe right now from all these Leftist goings-on, but history teaches us that these groups wind up suffering horribly before it's all over. So you really think this time will be different?

Let's have safe, fair, and transparent elections so that at least this part of our national life isn't going down the wrong road. We need to have a system that everybody can trust. I advocate the Carter-Baker Commission's recommendations.

Quote: odiousgambit

Let's have safe, fair, and transparent elections so that at least this part of our national life isn't going down the wrong road.

We already do.

The right will never trust an election that they lose. So your idea that we need elections that everyone can trust is fantasy.

Spoiler alert: mail-in voting, no excuse absentee voting, etc. is here to stay.

Quote: ams288

We already do.

The right will never trust an election that they lose. So your idea that we need elections that everyone can trust is fantasy.

Spoiler alert: mail-in voting, no excuse absentee voting, etc. is here to stay.

Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams also had issues with the elections.

I don't see anything wrong with having sound policies that make sure people who are voting are who they say they are and are eligible to vote.

I am not sure it matters. The swamp has put getting elected ahead of doing things to make things right (yes, there are swamp creatures on both sides...no matter what you end up saying about it) and allowed federal agencies to write more and more of the policies without supervision. That makes the swamp swampier by the day.

Unelected bureaucrats collect power and the Congress refuses to do their jobs, ceding power to others.

Elites want you and I to buy electric cars and live under their mandates while they jet off to foreign places to talk about how to get more control.

I don't have to like the policies you would like but I would prefer they be implemented by elected folks or at least supervised by them in ways that don't let unelected bureaucrats collect power.

Quote: RonC

Hillary Clinton and Stacey Abrams also had issues with the elections.

Hillary Clinton called Donny to concede in the early morning hours of 11/9/16 and gave her concession speech roughly 12 hours after the polls closed. What are you trying to compare that to?

Quote: Evenbob

The actual Joke is on you if you still think the 2020 election was not stolen. You'll see, little bits of real information are coming out now about what really happened. You can't hide something like that forever. Just like the truth is coming out about January 6th, people who were in charge there on the police force are finally speaking out because you can't keep them quiet for all eternity much as they'd like to. They can't wrongfully incarcerate them like they did the General Public, they're going to blow the lid off the whole thing.

And they know they can't fix the election this time because you can only do that if it's close to begin with and this election is not close in any way shape or form.

It was not stolen. There have been endless court hearings about it, nothing....

I agree this election will not be close, it will be another popular vote loss for Trump. Whether he manages to win the electoral college this time is what remains to be seen.

Quote: ams288

Hillary Clinton called Donny to concede in the early morning hours of 11/9/16 and gave her concession speech roughly 12 hours after the polls closed. What are you trying to compare that to?

Relax.

"Trump’s mendacity is arguably the Second Big Lie. Four years earlier, the Hillary Clinton campaign and leading Democrats refused to acknowledge the outcome of the 2016 election, by claiming Donald Trump was not a legitimate president."

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/trumps-denial-second-big-lie-ask-hillary-clinton-rcna55764

No, she didn't go all Trump. She just claimed he was not the legitimate President.

"“He lost the election and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf,” ex-President Jimmy Carter said in 2019, continuing to deny Trump’s victory three years after the election."

Same opinion piece. It is an opinion piece, but they did say those things.