In the News II

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quite amusing

watch Trump claim that 300 million people died from drugs last year being sent into our country from Venezuela

the population of the U.S. is about 340 million

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CN_Gh1TGOLA

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So he’s off by somewhat more than 299,900,000? Numbers are not his strength. If he would have said ‘responsible for 10’s of thousands’ of American deaths would you argue with him? Then you could argue his point instead of pointing out his humorous error. His point being there are foreign policy decisions being made as the number of US deaths due to smuggled Venezuelan drugs is unacceptable.

It's a pity he does not hold some kind of office where he can whimsically ask teams of advisers for basic talking points to ensure that pretty simple stats are correct before making a statement...

How many of the let's say 100k drug deaths are from Venezuela? The vast majority occur with legally prescribed drugs or legal drugs (alcohol.) And, of the sliver that are 100% illegal, what portion are sent from Venezuela?

And, of 100% illegal drugs, the vast majority of deaths (basically all for all intents and purposes minus a statistical fringe,) are from illegally produced fentanyl. Do you know where fentanyl comes from? (Not Venezuela.) Almost all Fenantyl is from China and Mexico (statistically these are the only 2 countries that matter for Fenantyl.)

My understanding is very few drugs are produced in Venezuela, it is basically a hub for drugs produced in Columbia and other nearby countries.

What would do more to stop drug deaths, more regulation on prescription drug and alcohol companies? Or invading Venezuela because they act as a depot for drugs from other countries that Trump is not concerned with? Or does the obsession with Venezuela have more to do with what Madero is doing with the oil markets, and the drugs are the a pretense? And, for the record Biden did questionable sanctions on him too, so I am not just blaming Trump, but at least Biden was not on the verge of a War and bombing boats that allegedly have drugs in it....

So we are allegedly on the verge of invading a country because maybe 0.5% of drug deaths are vaguely linked to that country. When of you really cared about drug deaths you would support stricter regulation of drug companies, stricter regulation on alcohol, and being harsher on China.

Drug deaths in the U.S. have nothing to do with Venezuela, it statistically may as well be zero... You want the regime overthrown for a different reason, don't beat around the bush...

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quite amusing

watch Trump claim that 300 million people died from drugs last year being sent into our country from Venezuela

the population of the U.S. is about 340 million

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CN_Gh1TGOLA

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So he’s off by somewhat more than 299,900,000? Numbers are not his strength. If he would have said ‘responsible for 10’s of thousands’ of American deaths would you argue with him? Then you could argue his point instead of pointing out his humorous error. His point being there are foreign policy decisions being made as the number of US deaths due to smuggled Venezuelan drugs is unacceptable.

It's a pity he does not hold some kind of office where he can whimsically ask teams of advisers for basic talking points to ensure that pretty simple stats are correct before making a statement...

How many of the let's say 100k drug deaths are from Venezuela? The vast majority occur with legally prescribed drugs or legal drugs (alcohol.) And, of the sliver that are 100% illegal, what portion are sent from Venezuela?

And, of 100% illegal drugs, the vast majority of deaths (basically all for all intents and purposes minus a statistical fringe,) are from illegally produced fentanyl. Do you know where fentanyl comes from? (Not Venezuela.) Almost all Fenantyl is from China and Mexico (statistically these are the only 2 countries that matter for Fenantyl.)

My understanding is very few drugs are produced in Venezuela, it is basically a hub for drugs produced in Columbia and other nearby countries.

What would do more to stop drug deaths, more regulation on prescription drug and alcohol companies? Or invading Venezuela because they act as a depot for drugs from other countries that Trump is not concerned with? Or does the obsession with Venezuela have more to do with what Madero is doing with the oil markets, and the drugs are the a pretense? And, for the record Biden did questionable sanctions on him too, so I am not just blaming Trump, but at least Biden was not on the verge of a War and bombing boats that allegedly have drugs in it....

So we are allegedly on the verge of invading a country because maybe 0.5% of drug deaths are vaguely linked to that country. When of you really cared about drug deaths you would support stricter regulation of drug companies, stricter regulation on alcohol, and being harsher on China.

Drug deaths in the U.S. have nothing to do with Venezuela, it statistically may as well be zero... You want the regime overthrown for a different reason, don't beat around the bush...

If we can invade Iraq because Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, we can invade Venezuela because of the 300 million Americans dying because of Venezuelan illegal drugs flooding in to the US.

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Quote: Gandler

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quite amusing

watch Trump claim that 300 million people died from drugs last year being sent into our country from Venezuela

the population of the U.S. is about 340 million

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/CN_Gh1TGOLA

.

So he’s off by somewhat more than 299,900,000? Numbers are not his strength. If he would have said ‘responsible for 10’s of thousands’ of American deaths would you argue with him? Then you could argue his point instead of pointing out his humorous error. His point being there are foreign policy decisions being made as the number of US deaths due to smuggled Venezuelan drugs is unacceptable.

It's a pity he does not hold some kind of office where he can whimsically ask teams of advisers for basic talking points to ensure that pretty simple stats are correct before making a statement...

How many of the let's say 100k drug deaths are from Venezuela? The vast majority occur with legally prescribed drugs or legal drugs (alcohol.) And, of the sliver that are 100% illegal, what portion are sent from Venezuela?

And, of 100% illegal drugs, the vast majority of deaths (basically all for all intents and purposes minus a statistical fringe,) are from illegally produced fentanyl. Do you know where fentanyl comes from? (Not Venezuela.) Almost all Fenantyl is from China and Mexico (statistically these are the only 2 countries that matter for Fenantyl.)

My understanding is very few drugs are produced in Venezuela, it is basically a hub for drugs produced in Columbia and other nearby countries.

What would do more to stop drug deaths, more regulation on prescription drug and alcohol companies? Or invading Venezuela because they act as a depot for drugs from other countries that Trump is not concerned with? Or does the obsession with Venezuela have more to do with what Madero is doing with the oil markets, and the drugs are the a pretense? And, for the record Biden did questionable sanctions on him too, so I am not just blaming Trump, but at least Biden was not on the verge of a War and bombing boats that allegedly have drugs in it....

So we are allegedly on the verge of invading a country because maybe 0.5% of drug deaths are vaguely linked to that country. When of you really cared about drug deaths you would support stricter regulation of drug companies, stricter regulation on alcohol, and being harsher on China.

Drug deaths in the U.S. have nothing to do with Venezuela, it statistically may as well be zero... You want the regime overthrown for a different reason, don't beat around the bush...

If we can invade Iraq because Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, we can invade Venezuela because of the 300 million Americans dying because of Venezuelan illegal drugs flooding in to the US.

You mean like if Venezuela (or any other country for that matter) blows a US citizen boat out of the water, Trump can declare war. Congress not demanding evidence is the usual let Trump act like a dictator.

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That is what a lot of people are not getting. We are not even destroying boats that are a military threat. We are blowing up foreign boats for having drugs. If a country was doing this to American boats for having something illegal in their country, we would be losing our minds.

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Actually, we are blowing up pirate ships smuggling dope that is killing our people. All we need to do is blow a few out of the water and soon they will have a harder time finding people to work them. This tradition goes back to the Barbary Pirates.

If a pirate ship manned by Americans was smuggling into China what do you think would happen?

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Actually, we are blowing up pirate ships smuggling dope that is killing our people. All we need to do is blow a few out of the water and soon they will have a harder time finding people to work them. This tradition goes back to the Barbary Pirates.

If a pirate ship manned by Americans was smuggling into China what do you think would happen?

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Killing very few people as I pointed out above. Basically all deaths are from American, Mexican, and Chinese based sources. Venezuela and even South America in general are marginally relevant to drug deaths.

Let's assume that these boats and people on them are drug shippers and the statements made are accurate (we don't have evidence of this since they are not releasing it.) We are killing people in International Waters for a non violent crime (again assuming they are even drug traffickers,) everyone should have a problem with this.

China is a deplorable country, so I have little interest in basing legal or ethical conclusions over what they do to smugglers.