Abortion

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September 10th, 2024 at 5:01:38 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Quote: Tanko
So there's no confusion. Anesthesia for the mother, but a fetus that can feel the agony of being torn apart, doesn't get any anesthesia.


If the mother is under general anesthesia, many of the anesthetics will cross to the fetus via the umbilical cord. In the vast majority of abortions, under local anesthesia, if the embryo/fetus is capable of feeling pain, it is not protected using local anesthesia.
I am not the expert on when an embryo/fetus can feel pain, but what I do remember is that it was controversial!
September 10th, 2024 at 6:44:52 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: Tanko
So, we make sure convicted murderers getting the death penalty suffer no pain, but we make sure a defenseless 24 week old fetus suffers a more barbaric and painful death than anything devised in the middle ages.

Utah is the only state with a fetal pain law requiring “an anesthetic or analgesic to eliminate or alleviate organic pain to the unborn child”.

No doubt you would want anesthesia for a simple colonoscopy or endoscopy.

This one was born at 23 weeks, and went home after four months in the hospital. She would have felt the torture of an abortion.


There are parents out there who need 24hr medical care for their child who may live well into adulthood. If you care so much about children go volunteer several hours a day to take care of just one.
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September 10th, 2024 at 3:25:58 PM permalink
Tanko
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Quote: SOOPOO
I am not the expert on when an embryo/fetus can feel pain, but what I do remember is that it was controversial!


Then give the fetus the benefit of the doubt and administer anesthesia.
September 10th, 2024 at 3:42:32 PM permalink
Tanko
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Quote: rxwine
There are parents out there who need 24hr medical care for their child who may live well into adulthood.


Their numbers do not compare in any way to the millions of second and third trimester babies that suffered being ripped apart without anesthesia.
September 10th, 2024 at 3:43:22 PM permalink
rxwine
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JEFFERSON CITY — Missouri voters will decide on Nov. 5 whether to overturn the state’s abortion ban after the state Supreme Court on Tuesday cleared away a final effort by anti-abortion activists to block a vote on a landmark proposal enshrining a right to abortion in the state constitution.

The Missouri Supreme Court ruled that the proposed amendment to the state constitution – called Amendment 3 – will remain on the general election ballot. The decision came less than three hours before a 5 p.m. deadline to finalize the ballot.

The order sets the stage for a final sprint toward Election Day by both supporters and opponents of one of the most potentially consequential ballot measures in Missouri history. The amendment would restore abortion access for the first time since the U.S. Supreme Court ended the federal right to abortion in 2022 while going further, creating an overall right to reproductive freedom that would prevent any future bans on birth control or in vitro fertilization.
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September 10th, 2024 at 3:59:37 PM permalink
GenoDRPh
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Quote: Tanko
Their numbers do not compare in any way to the millions of second and third trimester babies that suffered being ripped apart without anesthesia.


So? With all your scientific and medical knowledge of such things, we all await the "Tanko Protocol for Safe Anesthesia Deliver To Late Term Fetus Prior to Pregnancy Termination".

Millions? Over what period of time? Cite your sources.
September 10th, 2024 at 6:44:25 PM permalink
Tanko
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Quote: GenoDRPh
...we all await the "Tanko Protocol for Safe Anesthesia Deliver To Late Term Fetus Prior to Pregnancy Termination".


They do it in Utah every day, where it is required by law.

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Millions? Over what period of time? Cite your sources.


50 million US abortions since 1973

In 2018 nine percent of abortions in the US were second trimester or later.

16 million abortions in the US since 2000. Using 9% as the average, there were 1.4 million second trimester or later abortions in the US since 2000.

4.5 million since 1973, using 9% as the average.

The worldwide average is 10-15%.
September 10th, 2024 at 7:09:14 PM permalink
GenoDRPh
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Quote: Tanko
They do it in Utah every day, where it is required by law.



50 million US abortions since 1973

In 2018 nine percent of abortions in the US were second trimester or later.

16 million abortions in the US since 2000. Using 9% as the average, there were 1.4 million second trimester or later abortions in the US since 2000.

4.5 million since 1973, using 9% as the average.

The worldwide average is 10-15%.


As Dr SooPoo says, deep sedation or anesthesia given in hospital for terminations is adequate. What else you got?

So, in other words, a small percentage overall.
September 10th, 2024 at 7:10:52 PM permalink
Gandler
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Remember how badly certain people care about crime. And, these are the same ones that oppose abortion. Then remember how abortion reduced crime. It will be interesting evaluating crime stats in States as they tighten abortion regulations. Florida and Texas are both pretty close to average in crime (Texas slightly above,) if the rates dramatically increase in 15 years in these two States it will be quite interesting (assuming abortion laws do not change for 15 years, obviously if they do change you cannot do the comparison.)
September 11th, 2024 at 3:29:36 AM permalink
Tanko
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Quote: GenoDRPh
As Dr SooPoo says, deep sedation or anesthesia given in hospital for terminations is adequate.


He never said it is adequate. Where did you get that?

He said 'If the mother is under general anesthesia, many of the anesthetics will cross to the fetus via the umbilical cord'. That does not mean it is adequate to protect the fetus against pain.

If it was adequate, Utah would not have a fetal pain law.
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