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NJ was the first state I was registered to vote in. I can guarantee it is not a conspiracy. When you get a DL (which legal noncitizens can get, IE green card holders,) the DMV often registers the motorist to vote (it's an option, but they almost always do it by default,) and you would be shocked at how incompetent the NJ DMV is. So, even if somebody is a non citizen, I can guarantee half the workers there don't bother to uncheck "register customer to vote at residence."

So, it would not surprise me if a few people got registered improperly.

I am seeing zero evidence that of these couple hundred noncitizens with DLs who were accidentally registered, that any of them voted. This is not a conspiracy, this is DMV laziness. That may be shocking to people who did not grow up on the streets of NJ, but the DMV is a total cluster in NJ....

So, no, I am not alarmed by a couple hundred of accidental registrations in a state of close to 10 million legal residents.... Nor do I think that malice was intended by either party. The DMV workers were lazy and the customers were clueless... This is not the conspiracy of the century like they are trying to imply....

Quote: Gandler

NJ was the first state I was registered to vote in. I can guarantee it is not a conspiracy. When you get a DL (which legal noncitizens can get, IE green card holders,) the DMV often registers the motorist to vote (it's an option, but they almost always do it by default,) and you would be shocked at how incompetent the NJ DMV is. So, even if somebody is a non citizen, I can guarantee half the workers there don't bother to uncheck "register customer to vote at residence."

So, it would not surprise me if a few people got registered improperly.

I am seeing zero evidence that of these couple hundred noncitizens with DLs who were accidentally registered, that any of them voted. This is not a conspiracy, this is DMV laziness. That may be shocking to people who did not grow up on the streets of NJ, but the DMV is a total cluster in NJ....

So, no, I am not alarmed by a couple hundred of accidental registrations in a state of close to 10 million legal residents.... Nor do I think that malice was intended by either party. The DMV workers were lazy and the customers were clueless... This is not the conspiracy of the century like they are trying to imply....

So if NJ is so incompetent at registering people to vote, what makes you think they aren’t equally incompetent at all the other factors to keep an election secure? The article I read gave specific examples of non citizens that DID vote, by the way. And yes, there were Repubs and Dems, with the majority being Dem. And remember, the only looked at those that TURNED THEMSELVES IN!
You have no way to know how many that DIDN’T voted, because, they WOULDN’T alert the authorities! DUH!

Agree with you it’s most likely not a big conspiracy. And as Geno would say, unlikely changed an election.

I guess part of my unhappiness in this scenario is from my career (Geno’s too!). If I have ONE example of giving a paralytic instead of a sedative, I can’t use the ‘but it’s only one’ card. Geno can’t use the ‘both insulin and saline are clear’ excuse. So I don’t want NJ to use the ‘it was only 500’ card.

Quote: SOOPOO

Google ‘non citizens voting in New Jersey’. They list hundreds of people ( NON CITIZENS) on voter rolls that are voluntarily asking to be removed from such. That they don’t even know how they were registered! Of course, most are registered as Democrats. If that many are coming forward to point out the mistake, what multiple has not come forward?

Geno, prove these non citizens voting didn’t change the result of an election, or STFU!

(SOOPOO does not believe that this is a coordinated attempt to steal any particular election, but just another example of the need, especially in Blue states, for stricter, not laxer, procedures.)

Let me get this straight: Administrative errors added non citizens to NJ voter rolls. Said non citizens by and large followed the law and DID NOT VOTE. Said non citizens also followed the law and requested removal from voter rolls.

The RNC cites hundreds of these alleged ineligible voters, out of a total of 6.6 million registered voters in New Jersey. Hundreds of these voters out of a non-citizen population of a little less than a million. Do the math. While serious, not enough to impact an election. And no NJ election has been close enough for these non citizens voters to impact the results. There's your proof. Evidence of absence. You want to change the status quo. You need to come up with the goods. And you can't.

In AC, the RNC cites 50 non-citizens voting. No election in AC in recent memory has been decided by 50 votes or less.

This is me not shutting the F%$k about your xenophobic and racist attempts at voter suppression.

Quote: SOOPOO

So if NJ is so incompetent at registering people to vote, what makes you think they aren’t equally incompetent at all the other factors to keep an election secure? The article I read gave specific examples of non citizens that DID vote, by the way. And yes, there were Repubs and Dems, with the majority being Dem. And remember, the only looked at those that TURNED THEMSELVES IN!
You have no way to know how many that DIDN’T voted, because, they WOULDN’T alert the authorities! DUH!

Agree with you it’s most likely not a big conspiracy. And as Geno would say, unlikely changed an election.

I guess part of my unhappiness in this scenario is from my career (Geno’s too!). If I have ONE example of giving a paralytic instead of a sedative, I can’t use the ‘but it’s only one’ card. Geno can’t use the ‘both insulin and saline are clear’ excuse. So I don’t want NJ to use the ‘it was only 500’ card.

The DMV being incompetent is different than election integrity. I googled what you said, and no article I read talked about illegal voting, only registration.

NJ is an overwhelming Dem state. So the majority of any slice of the population will be Dems. That like saying "The majority of Republicans are bad drivers, because 90% of Mississippi residents that get local speeding tickets are Republicans.".

Quote: Gandler

The DMV being incompetent is different than election integrity. I googled what you said, and no article I read talked about illegal voting, only registration.

NJ is an overwhelming Dem state. So the majority of any slice of the population will be Dems. That like saying "The majority of Republicans are bad drivers, because 90% of Mississippi residents that get local speeding tickets are Republicans.".

The POINT is that you will find lax election security in a ‘predominantly Democrat state’! Helps keep it that way!

You don’t think that voter registration is a part of election integrity? CAN YOU BE THAT STUPID?

Quote: SOOPOO

The POINT is that you will find lax election security in a ‘predominantly Democrat state’! Helps keep it that way!

You don’t think that voter registration is a part of election integrity? CAN YOU BE THAT STUPID?

I actually don't, it may be part of voter integrity. But, I considered election integrity as the actual election on X date and how the results are impacted. So if a bunch of people registered illegally and/or improperly, but are never able to vote, while this may be an issue with voter integrity, it's not an issue with election integrity in any election I am tracking.

Quote: Gandler

I actually don't, it may be part of voter integrity. But, I considered election integrity as the actual election on X date and how the results are impacted. So if a bunch of people registered illegally and/or improperly, but are never able to vote, while this may be an issue with voter integrity, it's not an issue with election integrity in any election I am tracking.

Geez. Ok. Then you want us to discuss ‘combined voter integrity and election integrity? Really?

You don’t think normal people don’t consider allowing people who are not eligible to vote, to register and vote, a part of election integrity? You somehow want to parse it out?

Quote: SOOPOO

Geez. Ok. Then you want us to discuss ‘combined voter integrity and election integrity? Really?

You don’t think normal people don’t consider allowing people who are not eligible to vote, to register and vote, a part of election integrity? You somehow want to parse it out?

When you do parse it out, you will find it is statistically a non-issue. Ineligibles don't register in large numbers, and they vote even more infrequently.

How many eligible voters will you knowingly keep from voting to prevent the 1 in 27,000 ineligible voter from voting?

Quote: GenoDRPh

When you do parse it out, you will find it is statistically a non-issue. Ineligibles don't register in large numbers, and they vote even more infrequently.

How many eligible voters will you knowingly keep from voting to prevent the 1 in 27,000 ineligible voter from voting?

I don’t accept your premise that insuring that only citizens can vote prevents citizens from voting. As blathered about ad nauseum, in 2026 America, not having an ID is just ridiculous.

Quote: SOOPOO

I don’t accept your premise that insuring that only citizens can vote prevents citizens from voting. As blathered about ad nauseum, in 2026 America, not having an ID is just ridiculous.

And also not a legal requirement whatsoever, unless specifically needed.