RFK jr unfairly treated?

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. often cites a select number of studies, many of which are flawed, taken out of context, or misinterpreted, to support his views that question vaccine safety, particularly regarding a link to autism. These are in sharp contrast to the vast number of rigorous, peer-reviewed scientific studies across multiple countries that confirm the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
Studies Cited by RFK Jr.

Kennedy and his former organization, Children's Health Defense, have circulated a now-retracted 1998 study in The Lancet that falsely linked the MMR vaccine to autism.

He has referenced studies that injected spike proteins into mice in ways not used in human vaccination (e.g., intravenously or directly into the brain) to suggest real-world vaccine risks, misrepresenting the studies' conclusions.

He has used a compilation of papers that mostly found harms related to natural SARS-CoV-2 infection (not vaccination) as evidence against mRNA vaccines, ignoring the studies' actual findings that often support the benefits of vaccination.

During his confirmation hearing, he referenced a single recent paper (described as fundamentally flawed by experts) to counter the decades of research on vaccine safety.

He has cited a non-existent study to support claims of vaccine risks.
Studies Disagreeing with RFK Jr.'s Views (Scientific Consensus)

Dozens of high-quality, peer-reviewed studies across multiple countries have consistently found no link between childhood vaccines and autism.
The U.S. operates multiple rigorous surveillance systems to monitor vaccine safety, including the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), the Vaccine Safety Datalink, and the PRISM network, which continuously monitor hundreds of millions of doses for rare problems. These systems allow health officials to act swiftly when genuine (and extremely rare) risks emerge.

Vaccines have been proven to dramatically reduce childhood illness, disability, and death on a historic scale. One analysis in The Lancet estimated that vaccines have averted over 150 million deaths in the last 50 years.

Public health experts consistently point to an overwhelming body of evidence supporting the safety and effectiveness of the recommended vaccine schedule, a consensus built on decades of strong scientific evidence and data.

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Quote: terapined1

Remember, Dr. SOOPOO is probably the most vaccinated member of this forum. But what does that even mean? It certainly doesn’t mean that none of the MILLION kids had autism or asthma. It conveniently uses the two words ‘linked to’ which it really can’t determine.

What it should say if being accurate is ‘there is no difference in the rates of autism, asthma, and other conditions amongst the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups’. And it should ALSO mention how many lives were saved by avoiding/limiting damage from the things the vaccines were being used for.

SOOPOO always ends these vaccine discussions this way…..

I can’t guarantee that there are no risks to vaccine X. But the overall risk/benefit ratio for vaccine X is less than one. For COVID it is WAY LESS than one.

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Quote: terapined1

Remember, Dr. SOOPOO is probably the most vaccinated member of this forum. But what does that even mean? It certainly doesn’t mean that none of the MILLION kids had autism or asthma. It conveniently uses the two words ‘linked to’ which it really can’t determine.

What it should say if being accurate is ‘there is no difference in the rates of autism, asthma, and other conditions amongst the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups’. And it should ALSO mention how many lives were saved by avoiding/limiting damage from the things the vaccines were being used for.

SOOPOO always ends these vaccine discussions this way…..

I can’t guarantee that there are no risks to vaccine X. But the overall risk/benefit ratio for vaccine X is less than one. For COVID it is WAY LESS than one.

Would it make you feel better if the meme said "the attributable risk was zero"? Would it make you feel better if the meme said "the number needed to harm was infinite because the denominator was zero"?

Why do you continue to support anti-vax politicians and public policies?

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Any better, OG?

Quote: odiousgambit

hmmm. "he referenced a single recent paper (described as fundamentally flawed by experts) " ... Who are these experts? Is this the googlebot or similar talking here? You know the bots are hopelessly biased on this stuff

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Quote: terapined1

Remember, Dr. SOOPOO is probably the most vaccinated member of this forum. But what does that even mean? It certainly doesn’t mean that none of the MILLION kids had autism or asthma. It conveniently uses the two words ‘linked to’ which it really can’t determine.

What it should say if being accurate is ‘there is no difference in the rates of autism, asthma, and other conditions amongst the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups’. And it should ALSO mention how many lives were saved by avoiding/limiting damage from the things the vaccines were being used for.

SOOPOO always ends these vaccine discussions this way…..

I can’t guarantee that there are no risks to vaccine X. But the overall risk/benefit ratio for vaccine X is less than one. For COVID it is WAY LESS than one.

Would it make you feel better if the meme said "the attributable risk was zero"? Would it make you feel better if the meme said "the number needed to harm was infinite because the denominator was zero"?

Why do you continue to support anti-vax politicians and public policies?

I like ‘the attributable risk was zero’. It is an accurate description.

I don’t like the phraseology of your subsequent sentence.

I have never supported an anti vax policy. I have in certain instances supported an individuals right of autonomy in refusing vaccination even though it may be stupid. And certainly never even remotely supported RFK Jr.

As I often remind you, any single politician has hundreds of different policies on hundreds of different issues. So it certainly is possible I supported ann’anti-vaxxer’ who I agreed with on those hundred other things. Unfortunately, the only one who agrees with me on everything is me!

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The Atlantic magazine has an article about K. I read it and would say it's balanced enough, quoting him saying reasonable things, while certainly including all his controversial actions and statements from all of his detractors. It concludes by saying he is messianic and too biased towards wanting to find the data he already believes in, this seeming to be the author's opinion.

I'd say it paints a fair picture, perhaps not the picture a supporter would want, nor one a hater would want

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/01/rfk-jr-public-health-science/684948/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share .

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Quote: odiousgambit

The Atlantic magazine has an article about K. I read it and would say it's balanced enough, quoting him saying reasonable things, while certainly including all his controversial actions and statements from all of his detractors. It concludes by saying he is messianic and too biased towards wanting to find the data he already believes in, this seeming to be the author's opinion.

I'd say it paints a fair picture, perhaps not the picture a supporter would want, nor one a hater would want

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/2026/01/rfk-jr-public-health-science/684948/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share .

No amount of sanewashing will undo the damage he is causing by being in public office.