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Quote: rxwine

Gay marriage allowed, law of the land 2015. Just this year, same sex spouses can now receive SS survivor benefits like same sex marriages. More things still need to be done.

Why the hell did that take even one second longer than it took for that to become the law of the land? Other than shared insurance (which companies could have done of their own volition, anyway)...I would think the main benefits to gay marriage would be that, presumed power of attorney (if one is incapacitated) and someone being the default beneficiary in the event of an absence of a will.

Quote: AZDuffman

Few businesses will deny service for *being* gay. Now, I may say "no thanks" to working a gig at a gay wedding or a baker may say they do not do gay cakes, do not stock same sex figurines, etc. But those are custom services.

Prohibiting gay behavior, OTOH, that is a different story. A bar may not want his bar to turn into a gay hangout driving straight business away. Any place may not want what we can call "flaming gay behavior" in their place. But the same businesses will probably not allow say someone with fascist or communist outfits hanging around, either.

If a business acts pro-gay I usually try to take my business elsewhere. They need to quit shoving politics in my face.

I'm a little more on the fence about working a gay wedding thing because, in that instance, you're not being asked to provide a service that is meaningfully different (as I understand it) than services that you would normally provide. I don't know how you mean, but take a disc jockey, for example...I don't know that a wedding being, "Gay," as opposed to, "Straight," rises to the level of being a service the DJ doesn't normally provide...with that, the only reason for refusal is that the people in question are gay. It's not as if the DJ is personally overseeing the marriage and acting as a witness to the license.

When we talk about the same-sex cake decorating, then I think the business owner can say, "Well, I don't put make a cake with two grooms on it for anyone," so that's a little bit different.

Of course, a person could be fully in favor of uncontested right to deny service, but then you get into a slippery slope because that would enable businesses to essentially conspire to totally freeze certain types of people out of all services.

I also think your bar example is perfectly fine as long as we are talking about something that relates to conduct.. That said, if a person isn't going to permit a gay couple doing PDA in the bar, then the straight couple shouldn't be allowed to do PDA, either.

Oh, and, "Married, filing jointly," when beneficial.

Quote: rxwine

Funny, there's no conspiracy theory that non-official visits by high profile Americans who visit Russia get a microchip in their brain. Flynn, Trump. Steven Seagal, all did this.

All appear to have loose marbles.

I don't think Seagal was ever really all there to begin with...

Quote: terapined

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/best-fact-checking-websites/

As per Allsides.com which rates bias only not content. "dailydot.com leans left" You are the Poster Child for confirmation bias terapined, the sites you visit all seem to lean left.

Quote: Mission146

I'm a little more on the fence about working a gay wedding thing because, in that instance, you're not being asked to provide a service that is meaningfully different (as I understand it) than services that you would normally provide. I don't know how you mean, but take a disc jockey, for example...I don't know that a wedding being, "Gay," as opposed to, "Straight," rises to the level of being a service the DJ doesn't normally provide...with that, the only reason for refusal is that the people in question are gay. It's not as if the DJ is personally overseeing the marriage and acting as a witness to the license.

When we talk about the same-sex cake decorating, then I think the business owner can say, "Well, I don't put make a cake with two grooms on it for anyone," so that's a little bit different.

Of course, a person could be fully in favor of uncontested right to deny service, but then you get into a slippery slope because that would enable businesses to essentially conspire to totally freeze certain types of people out of all services.

I also think your bar example is perfectly fine as long as we are talking about something that relates to conduct.. That said, if a person isn't going to permit a gay couple doing PDA in the bar, then the straight couple shouldn't be allowed to do PDA, either.

I met a DJ at a wedding I worked. He did not mind doing them and got referrals from ones who did so it worked out for all. Each wedding is a custom job even if similar. One example a DJ might not be able to do a wedding where they wanted a lot of hip-hop songs if he did not have them. But a DJ can simply decide they do not like the person asking and not want to do business with them.

I have gigs I do not accept for various reasons.

Quote: kenarman

As per Allsides.com which rates bias only not content. "dailydot.com leans left" You are the Poster Child for confirmation bias terapined, the sites you visit all seem to lean left.

Of course I'm going to sites that lean left
Trump lost is a fact on those sites
It passes the smell test
Does the right have a fact check site?
I doubt it. Trump would consider any fact checking site as against him

Quote: rxwine

You think an occasional mistake proves your point? Good grief.

Yes it does.

So how often is an occasional mistake? 5% of the time or maybe 15% of the time, more that 20% of the time, less than 20% of the time, tell me.

How would you feel if your were the recipient of an "occasional mistake" made by a surgeon, airline pilot, law enforcement personnel, IRS, etc?

Quote: fleaswatter

Yes it does.

So how often is an occasional mistake? 5% of the time or maybe 15% of the time, more that 20% of the time, less than 20% of the time, tell me.

How would you feel if your were the recipient of an "occasional mistake" made by a surgeon, airline pilot, law enforcement personnel, IRS, etc?

I never thought I’d be responding to similar complaints from you two, (SOOPOO being the 2nd)

Every thing you mentioned has been successfully sued for damages. I can’t find one instance of a winning case against Politifact.

It’s hard to claim damages for being right so often. Sure news agencies have been sued successfully. So far, so good, afaict. You’re free to suggest a better fact site.

Quote: AZDuffman

I met a DJ at a wedding I worked. He did not mind doing them and got referrals from ones who did so it worked out for all. Each wedding is a custom job even if similar. One example a DJ might not be able to do a wedding where they wanted a lot of hip-hop songs if he did not have them. But a DJ can simply decide they do not like the person asking and not want to do business with them.

I have gigs I do not accept for various reasons.

I agree with that to the extent that not having the music that they specifically want is different than pointedly not doing it because they are gay. If you don't spin rap music, then you don't spin rap music. I'm not aware of the musical preferences of homosexuals being meaningfully different than those of straight people, but then, I don't think I've ever done a poll, formal or otherwise.