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Quote: Ayecarumba

If you know any heroin addicts, ask them how they got started. The ones that I know started with weed. The slope might not be slippery for everyone, but the gutter in front of the crackhouse is full of folks whose spiral down started with weed.

Look at it this way
You never hear stories about some girl that got so stoned on weed, she passed out and guys, well, you know
on the other hand with alcohol which is legal, those stories are to common.
If I had a 18 year old daughter, I would rather her smoke some weed rather then get drunk

Quote: Ayecarumba

If you know any heroin addicts, ask them how they got started. The ones that I know started with weed. The slope might not be slippery for everyone, but the gutter in front of the crackhouse is full of folks whose spiral down started with weed.

I'm not sure if it is that way with marijuana as much anymore since people could be getting it from legal venues.

Anyway, I believe if liquor stores also sold legal heroin and no other drug you would also see a gateway effect. Ergo, liquor leads to heroin would also be true. This wouldn't really be proof that liquor leads to heroin, but if you market them together it will look like it because there will be more heroin use.

Often drug dealers are dealing in other drugs. And they all have the same thing in common. They are illegal. Thus the gateway effect.

It's really no different than you introduce your grandma to her first live bingo game. Not at church where it would likely be the only game. But in a casino. Eventually when you find your grandma out hitting the slots so now you found Bingo leads to slots and other forms of gambling.

Quote: Ayecarumba

If you know any heroin addicts, ask them how they got started. The ones that I know started with weed. The slope might not be slippery for everyone, but the gutter in front of the crackhouse is full of folks whose spiral down started with weed.

The "gateway drug" thing gets misunderstood. There are plenty of people who like their pot and are satisfied for life. But what I have always seen is people who use it are very often the kind of people who both want and are willing to experiment with anything and love any kind of high. Like any other people with common interests, they tend to hang together eventually.

So guy gets together with some stoner friends and one brings his buddies some new drug he heard about or ended up trying. Most will try some. This, not the effect of the pot, seems to be the gateway.

Meanwhile, my employer has major operations in Colorado and currently is losing about 1/3 of potential hires to drug test fails. Maybe there is a try-it-out effect going on, or maybe that many people like getting stoned. Better for me if the effect spreads, less competition.

Last few years I just stopped caring about what happens with it. I've seen pot destroy people, seen it just slow them down. But the police state being created is worse than if we get 1/3 of the population ending up as hard core users.

NFL denies Cowboys' request to wear decal honoring fallen Dallas officers

The NFL keeps reminding me why I now am a former fan.

Gateway Drug; Crack House Gutter... started with weed....

Heck,that is like saying the 'gateway drug' is Breast Milk or Coca Cola or Beer or Tobacco or Chewing Gum....

Want to blame your downward spiral on Weed or God or The Moon.... go ahead.

Quote: Ayecarumba

If you know any heroin addicts, ask them how they got started. The ones that I know started with weed.

I knew a woman 30 years ago that
smoked weed ever day. She still
does. I saw her last year and she
said her life has been great, except
for 1990-2000 when she was a
heroin junkie. She tried it once and
quit 10 years later before she died
from it. Every hard drug addict started
with weed.

Quote: AZDuffman

Last few years I just stopped caring about what happens with it. I've seen pot destroy people, seen it just slow them down.

Best pot story I heard. In 1948 Buddy
Hackett was a stand up comic, just
getting into the business. Young
and really talented. He started hanging
out with the musicians after the clubs
closed and they always had pot. He
started smoking it every day.

A few years later he got sick from something
and had to stop the pot for a few weeks.
It hit him like ton of bricks that he thought
he'd been doing great the last few years,
but he was only treading water because the
pot had robbed of any ambition he had.
He never went back and became a famous
movie and stage performer.

Pot is insidious.

LOL - poor Evenbob.

CNN just did a nice debunking of all the Hillary "failing health" conspiracy theories he's been peddling all week.

Of course - if you only watch FOX and read Drudge like EB, you would have no idea.

Quote: Evenbob

Pot is insidious.

It might have caused Willie Nelson to forget to pay his taxes. Didn't seem to hurt his performances or creative output.

He's 83 now.

Speaking of.

Quote:

Starting in 2009, Hice and his partners were among the first to grow, manufacture and sell medical and then recreational marijuana as Colorado legalized both. But now, Hice and his associates have sold most of their company to another marijuana pioneer: country music legend Willie Nelson and Nelson's company were the buyers.

Hice said, “And we did want to make sure we found the right person and the right fit to sell the company to, so yeah, absolutely, there is a coolness factor.”

Hice said Nelson was committed to working with small farmers, not big businesses, as Nelson markets his brand called “Willie's Reserve.”
“You know, Willie Nelson is a very successful man. He didn't need to get into cannabis to make money. He's an activist. He admittedly smokes cannabis for medical purposes. He drinks less, he takes fewer medications, pills due to cannabis. So he's a true activist.”

http://local12.com/news/local/willie-nelson-purchases-local-mans-cannabis-business

How many have smoked pot WITHOUT having first had a beer or a cig? Not me, and I'd bet not many. So why is it that pot saddled with the gateway moniker?