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| February 1st, 2018 at 3:35:24 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 137 Posts: 21195 |
It would be nice. The GOP has gotten much, 2016 was full of new blood and lots of GOP Governors out there. Democrat side is harder. Hillary will not leave the spotlight. even if a person believes she will not run in 2020, why has she not gone home to play with her grandkids? Shows up at the Grammys. Even with so few people watching, that is the behavior of an attention-whore. Bernie is "new" but over the hill. Obamaism decimated their bench, so probably no real new blood until 2024. But if someone does not have a strong compass and wants to enter politics, they might be smart to go Democrat as it is smart to get in with the party on its back, you can rise faster. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength |
| February 1st, 2018 at 3:37:18 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 137 Posts: 21195 |
About as I suspected. Some free speech is more free than other free speech I guess. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength |
| February 1st, 2018 at 3:46:42 PM permalink | |
| beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 |
Corporations aren't people. Neither are unions. CU allows both to override individual people with money dumps into political influence campaigns without attribution. It is important to understand the actual motivation of those doing this, which CU allows to be masked. Transparency is a hallmark of healthy democracy. Free speech also should be attributable to be considered free speech. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
| February 1st, 2018 at 3:53:19 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 137 Posts: 21195 |
Yes, they are. People coming together as a group but using a legal structure for limited liability. N
I am fine with transparency. I am also for no limits on direct contributions as long as it is disclosed. I am against McCain-Feingold and any other limit on ads against someone sitting in office. War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength |
| February 1st, 2018 at 4:07:23 PM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Do corporations have the right to vote? Citizenship? Right to bear arms? Factor in to congressional apportionment, as in, be counted and added to the population of individuals for the purpose of assigning representation? "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| February 1st, 2018 at 4:13:01 PM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 137 Posts: 21195 |
No.
De Facto Yes
Yes.
No. What does this have to do with the fact that corporations are people because they are made of people? Every one of your questions is "YES" to the people making the corporation up. Lets throw this to you another way. Do you lose your right to free speech just because you speak with one friend? Two friends? Three? Four? At one point are you no longer people and you think you should lose your rights? War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength |
| February 1st, 2018 at 4:53:07 PM permalink | |
| beachbumbabs Member since: Sep 3, 2013 Threads: 6 Posts: 1600 | Free speech is protected because it is attributable. The phrase "free speech" is particular to encompass the concept of speaking your opposition without fear of reprisal or retribution. Free speech requires responsibility, not just rights inherent to citizenship. If it were anonymous, it wouldn't need protection. Hiding behind a corporation, LLC, or other entity allows falsehoods, misleading motivation, dark money, and overwhelming command of media reach, out weighing on a parity basis individual free speech in several respects. The structure also allows easy dumping of political dollars into political races by non-US citizens. CU decision was based on a flawed interpretation (that you're continuing) of the intent of free speech as used in the Constitution. So I maintain it was unconstitutional. The Constitution defines, or at least implies, what is a citizen. It doesn't mention corporations. Never doubt a small group of concerned citizens can change the world; it's the only thing ever has |
| February 1st, 2018 at 5:11:05 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 | Hundreds have read the memo and no leaks? This tells us that it doesn't damage Trump, or the leaks would be all over the place. Look for the Dems and CNN to say this is the biggest nothing burger ever. There's no there 'there', lets move on. It could Watergate and Teapot Dome times 10, and the MSM will give a giant yawn. I can't wait. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| February 1st, 2018 at 5:24:28 PM permalink | |
| ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 13466 |
Of course the memo doesn't damage Trump. Was that ever even a possibility?! It was written by his people! “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
| February 1st, 2018 at 5:34:51 PM permalink | |
| terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 76 Posts: 12501 |
WTF. Where is EB coming from? The memo is pro Trump and anti FBI investigation What a world we live in where a conservative President trusts Russia and Putin more then our FBI Putin definitely has something on Trump Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |