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God and Gay Marriage
| July 4th, 2015 at 9:57:11 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | I guess we all feel we are right, you about your no gods, me about Jesus. You are right about how pitiful it is when certainty meets ignorance. I can't count how many times I have been told there is no God from someone who can't name the four Evangelists. Another person told me that the Vatican was wrong and the Pope the antichrist and the Roman Catholic Church was the whore of Babylon, why? Because apparently in the secret archives is the truth about Jesus' family lineage. I tried to tell him that Jesus was never married and he wouldn't even listen. By the way the only correction I would make in regards to your comments on religious development is that there is no mistaking the partial revelation of YHWH/Jesus/Holy Spirit for something very different like a human sacrifice on the slopes of Mt. Doom. Religious ideas like we saw in the Egyptian God Akenthen (sp?) could be considered in some ways a precursor to Christianity, but not other pagan rites that are inspired by something very different. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| July 4th, 2015 at 10:10:51 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
The power of embarrassment is a powerful force indeed, more strong and long lasting than even the force of law. Falsehood will always end up being embarrassed because it has nothing behind it but lies that eventually are discovered. My only response to you is that when religion enters into the public square it better have more to back up its beliefs than Scripture verses. I don't think you can argue to change laws for all people solely on religious grounds because not everyone is Catholic or Jewish or even believe in God. I think your beliefs in the public square can be inspired by God and your religion, but they have to be proven to be truly good for everyone. I think contraception is a good issue to talk about this. I can't come into the public square and say no one should use contraception because God said so. I can point out the increase in promiscuity, adultery, pornography, the abuse of women, sex slavery, increase in certain types of STDs, the harmful effect of the pill on women, etc., etc. For these reasons the Church can stand against being forced to provide contraception and to lobby the government to stop thinking they are fixing problems that are actually making it worse. You can argue these points, and I'm sure some will, but it is a good debate to have that doesn't just dissolve into, "my God says NO and your ego says YES." “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| July 4th, 2015 at 11:09:44 AM permalink | |
| reno Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 58 Posts: 1384 |
Yes, exactly. And just because a belief is written down in ancient Scripture does not make it true. For example, the bris milah of the Talmudists is based on halacha & minhag. To those of us non-believers, there are Hasidic rabbis who put their mouths on freshly circumsized baby penises (this disgusting ancient custom is called Metzitzah b’peh.) Herpes is not typically fatal for healthy adults, but for newborn babies it's a serious disease. Since 2000, 16 cases of neonatal herpes have resulted from Metzitpah b'peh in New York City alone, with three proving fatal and others causing long-term health effects, including brain damage. Three dead babies? These rabbis are dangerous men and they belong in jail. Even religious liberty has its limits. |
| July 4th, 2015 at 7:56:40 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
Can you claim astrology is false without knowing all the nonsense associated with it? Think things through before you type them.
You do your deity a disservice. Human sacrifices in Mesoamerica and South America are very well documented. You can't possibly mean this loving, all-knowing deity left millions and millions of his children all alone for thousands of years. I'm sure he/they manifested him/themselves through the Aztec, Maya, Tlaxcaltec, Olmec, Inca, etc. blood-thirsty deities. Come now. Didn't the Christian god order Abraham to sacrifice Isaac for some reason? Maybe the peoples in the Americas merely misunderstood the symbolism. Unless you pick and choose from outmoded deities the way you do with the Bible. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| July 4th, 2015 at 8:02:03 PM permalink | |
| Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
You know all this existed and flourished before modern contraception, don't you? What didn't exist was a reliable method to control how many children a couple could have. Banning contraceptives would destroy this very useful effect while perhaps minimally affecting the things you deplore. BTW, the printing press and the internet have done a lot more to spread pornography than anything else. Written communications facilitate human trafficking enormously. Maybe we should get rid of books, the internet and literacy.
I'd look to a church for contraception with as much reason as I'd look to a hardware store for biscuit meal. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
| July 4th, 2015 at 8:32:58 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
No.
He most definitely did not leave them alone, but he was even more assuredly not found in these blood-thirsty deities. Our Lady of Guadalupe was one way in which He made His presence known and changed that area forever.
As you know Central America did not have a monopoly on these blood thirsty demons/deities or human sacrifice. The story of Isaac was YHWH showing how very different He was. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| July 4th, 2015 at 8:36:53 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
God has always given us a perfectly natural and reliable method to control how many children a couple could have. It is called Natural Family Planning, look it up. It is amazing and just as effective as any unnatural contraceptive.
Well I guess that is one way, but not the way I would choose. Books, the internet, literacy have done a lot of good.
Religious faith isn't a specialty store but rather more like a department store that carries everything we would ever need in life. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| July 5th, 2015 at 12:12:07 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Do you have a tattoo on your arm that reads: Axioms and Platitudes are my Forte! If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| July 5th, 2015 at 12:41:57 AM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18829 | New article in the Scientist. I suppose one could dismiss this as something that just happens to those "lower" species. I am interested if "someone" could make some sort of moral judgment because of this finding. Or rather, why the outliers in humans deserve a detrimental moral judgment, because they are also atypical.
http://www.the-scientist.com//?articles.view/articleNo/43436/title/Lizard-Swaps-Mode-of-Deciding-Its-Sex/ You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
| July 5th, 2015 at 12:49:26 AM permalink | |
| rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18829 | Humans also have plenty of variations. Some helpful to survival, some harmful, some benign. People are sometimes born with an extra toe or finger. It's not an excuse to ruin their life expectations. Why there is such a focus on penalizing people for just one particular variation, I don't know. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |