Airport traffic

Surprised BOM not on the list
I send a ton of people to BOM
but their real destination is PNQ , just easier to fly into BOM, not a lot of international flights into nearby PNQ

I don't book CAN a lot
I send a ton of people to China but rarely CAN
Its always PEK SHA WUH XIY SZN XFN CGQ

My go to hub in Europe is FRA
I don't use LHR as a hub, just a destination
I only use IST to get to Izmir

Quote: terapined

My go to hub in Europe is FRA
I don't use LHR as a hub, just a destination
I only use IST to get to Izmir

Here is a list of most popular airports starting from a US Airport (instead of just biggest airports overall). Istanbul is pretty far down on the list for European airports. The numbers represent travellers starting from a US airport over a 5 year period.

73,852,263 LHR Heathrow
54,364,580 YYZ Toronto
41,032,644 NRT Narita Japan
32,680,639 FRA Frankfurt Germany
30,862,034 MEX Mexico City
30,604,858 CDG Paris
29,342,714 CUN Cancun
25,702,200 ICN Korea
23,633,167 YVR Vancouver
22,856,018 AMS Amsterdam
18,607,555 YUL Montreal
15,332,326 GRU São Paulo - Brazil
14,849,779 YYC Calgary
12,929,347 HKG Hong Kong
12,763,278 PTY Panama City
12,451,029 GDL Guadalajara
11,569,224 NAS Nassau
11,340,325 MBJ Montego Bay
11,093,238 SDQ Dominican Republic.
10,623,618 DXB Dubai
10,594,726 MAD Madrid
10,473,368 SJD Los Cabos
10,442,435 PEK Beijing
10,113,827 MUC Munich
9,861,553 TPE Tapei
9,440,115 BOG Bogota
9,238,747 PVG Shanghai
9,147,498 SJO San José, the capital of Costa Rica
9,090,038 SYD Sydeny
8,732,533 PUJ Punta Cana Dominican Republic
8,576,225 ZRH Zurich
8,499,924 FCO Rome
8,498,814 SAL El Salvador
8,082,789 DUB Dublin
7,800,241 LIM Lima Peru
7,023,230 EZE Buenos Aires
6,883,066 TLV Tel Aviv
6,749,358 PVR Puerto Vallarta
6,446,488 LGW London
6,317,283 YEG Edmonton
6,293,212 AUA Aruba
6,217,777 KIX Kansai International Airport Japan
6,020,461 BRU Brussels Airport
5,966,104 IST Istanbul
5,785,339 GUA Guatemala City
5,777,658 MAN Manchester UK
5,731,772 CCS Simón Bolívar International Airport Caracas, the capital of Venezuela.
5,650,025 STI Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic'
5,496,492 PAP Port-au-Prince in Hait
5,319,773 GIG
5,247,432 HND
5,052,940 MTY
4,844,402 YTZ
4,669,069 KIN
4,630,635 YOW
4,591,313 POS
4,506,056 DUS
4,446,482 GCM
4,406,283 MNL
4,209,257 SCL
3,996,738 DOH
3,881,103 SXM
3,813,758 NGO
3,750,073 AKL
3,548,819 BDA
3,547,570 MXP
3,461,311 BCN
3,291,130 SVO
3,286,577 KEF
3,271,157 MGA
3,249,605 PLS
3,228,154 CPH
3,127,937 DEL
3,044,395 LIR
2,975,518 AUH
2,750,198 BZE
2,695,457 SAP
2,640,933 UIO
2,464,011 GYE
2,416,721 YWG
2,303,790 ARN
2,261,262 BNE
2,187,978 BGI
2,186,875 YHZ
2,139,322 BJX
2,072,848 MEL
2,000,809 TXL

I am confused Paco. Your list for the worlds busiest airports doesn't show YYZ. The 54 million shown for it on the second list for the most common destinations from the US would put it on the list. Are the counts calculated differently?

Quote: kenarman

I am confused Paco. Your list for the worlds busiest airports doesn't show YYZ. The 54 million shown for it on the second list for the most common destinations from the US would put it on the list. Are the counts calculated differently?

Quote: Pacomartin

Here is a list of most popular airports starting from a US Airport (instead of just biggest airports overall).The numbers represent travellers starting from a US airport over a 5 year period.

The second list is over a 5 year period. I thought I would use a longer period of time to remove any annual fluctuation.

Toronto had 41,036,847 passengers in 2015, so it just slipped off the edge of the top 30 in the world.

Quote: terapined

Surprised BOM not on the list I send a ton of people to BOM My go to hub in Europe is FRA

The top 30 airports in the world are not the same as the top airports Americans travel to. Obviously the North and South American airports would be of more importance. Rochester, NY is an American International airport, but it's only international flight is 105 miles to Toronto. Reagen National will not permit any widebodies, not the least is because of 9-11 concerns and the runways limited to 7000'. But they still have international flights to Montréal–Trudeau, Ottawa, and Toronto–Pearson.

Dubai in particular is popular with Americans travelling to India. Given the distance there are not that many nonstops from USA to India, so you have to fly to somewhere. But it is still going to rank far below the European hubs.

Scheduled Passenger - Kilometres Flown

Ryan Air carries the most international passengers, but it is ranked #7 for passenger-kilometers since most of their flights are short haul within Europe. American + USAir outranks Southwest for domestic passenger kilometers.



You'll note that of the 10 leading airports for domestic passengers, 6 are from the USA and 4 from China. Despite the much large population, China is not likely to pass the USA as they are more dependent on rail links, and they don't travel as much.

European countries are smaller, but they have some of the busiest domestic air routes in the world (like Madrid to Barcelona). But nearly all countries view domestic airlines as a costly ecologically damaging pursuit. It is the avowed goal of most European countries to replace domestic air traffic with rail traffic.

In a note about the transatlantic market, Airways News commented they expect to see the A321neo and LR to take over or open up the proverbial "long thin routes" across the pond. Partly some will replace aging 757s (and we're still awaiting a real replacement for that plane), but there's the potential for using these narrow bodies as regular transatlantic hoppers even on "thick" routes like NYC to London and Paris.

This means even less comfortable long flights, and more frequencies which will make the traffic problem much worse.

On the upside, Delta made an order for up to 75 C-series CS-100 planes from Bombardier. I like the idea in the interior design of that craft. The economy seating configuration is 3-2, with a seat width that precludes adding a sixth seat. Better yet, the dreaded middle seat is 1" wider than the adjoining seats, making for a bit more space for all concerned. It's a little thing, but the one real improvement in economy passenger comfort in the past decade or so.

Quote: Nareed

In a note about the transatlantic market, Airways News commented they expect to see the A321neo and LR to take over or open up the proverbial "long thin routes" across the pond. Partly some will replace aging 757s (and we're still awaiting a real replacement for that plane), but there's the potential for using these narrow bodies as regular transatlantic hoppers even on "thick" routes like NYC to London and Paris.

This means even less comfortable long flights, and more frequencies which will make the traffic problem much worse.

On the upside, Delta made an order for up to 75 C-series CS-100 planes from Bombardier. I like the idea in the interior design of that craft. The economy seating configuration is 3-2, with a seat width that precludes adding a sixth seat. Better yet, the dreaded middle seat is 1" wider than the adjoining seats, making for a bit more space for all concerned. It's a little thing, but the one real improvement in economy passenger comfort in the past decade or so.

I thought the middle seat was only going to be about a half inch wider.

Quote: DRich

I thought the middle seat was only going to be about a half inch wider.

Maybe. It would still be better than the status quo of 3-3 all the same size.

Quote: Nareed

Maybe. It would still be better than the status quo of 3-3 all the same size.

Maybe.

Delta has two configurations for the Airbus 320. One with 17.2" wide economy seats, and another with 18" wide seats. Volaris in contrast has only 18" wide seats. All configurations are 3-3.


So my question with the 2-3 configuration is it 18" and 19", or is it 17.2" and 18.2" ?

Quote: Pacomartin

So my question with the 2-3 configuration is it 18" and 19", or is it 17.2" and 18.2" ?

Both Bombardier and Delta are peppering their press releases with the phrase "wide body interior in a narrow body aircraft," or words to that effect, every time they talk about the C-Series.

That's blatant exaggeration. But the reduction of the number of middle seats as a standard is a good thing. Though I think the Superjet also comes in a 3-2 configuration (eventually I ought to be able to fly in one).

IMO Boeing should seriously consider a twin-aisle narrow body to replace the 757 at last. I've given up hope that basic economy will get any better, but eliminating middle seats can only help that experience. This is especially so if, as predicted, smaller planes keep taking over ever longer routes.

Seriously, given advances in engine efficiencies and light-weight composites, I can see the day when a 737/A320 type could easily fly a load of 150 passengers for 8-10 hours. Do you want to know what Hell looks like? Try flying IAH-CDG in a single-aisle plane in economy, meal or no meal.

If the plane makers are aiming or stumbling into long-haul narrow bodies, they should spare a thought or two to the actual people flying fourth class.