Catholic Church Collapsing
September 22nd, 2015 at 7:36:27 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Evidence is not proof. None of the evidence, taken individually or all summed up together, proves that God exists. If it did, people wouldn't be having these discussions. Much of the evidence now has alternative natural explainations. Some of the evidence lacks, well, physical evidence, documentation, or corroboration. And again again again, a lack of a known natural explaination is not proof of a supernatural explaination. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
September 22nd, 2015 at 8:53:40 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
If god existed and produced this kind of existence, he would be a cruel trickster. He makes himself impossible to find, allows horrible things to happen on a large scale, in his name, and totally ignores his followers. I like the god that doesn't exist much better than a horrible god like that. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 23rd, 2015 at 6:26:27 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
There can be no proof without evidence. In the case of deities, there is no evidence at all.
That's all they have left. Decades or centuries from now they'll have nothing. Whether they'll accept they have nothing, well, I don't think they ever will. I mean, they have nothing now, and they persist with it. Consider this simple argument: The universe exists We don't know why it exists Therefore everything the Church says it's absolutely true. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
September 23rd, 2015 at 7:47:56 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | Warning graphic post to follow: According to a Great Courses lecture series on the French Revolution, in the original "Little Red Riding Hood" tale the wolf kills the grandmother, slices her flesh and drains her blood into a bottle. When the girl arrives, the wolf disguised as the grandmother offers her meat and wine. You can guess what she eats. Now, it strikes me the wolf is a symbol and not a real wolf. Since he eats the girl (no happy ending in the original), it struck me at once the wolf stands for a Seigneur, a French feudal lord. It's so glaringly obvious it hardly seems worthwhile to point it out. But what about tricking Red Riding Hood into eating her grandmother's flesh and drinking her blood? It could be mere cruelty, which would be expected in a feudal master. But it could also be a knock on the Catholic practice of consuming the flesh and blood of the Jesus. Remember France was divided into three estates: the clergy, the nobility, and everyone else (ie, those who pray, those who fight, and those who work). Much as the third estate paid inordinate amounts of money and produce to the nobility, they also owed the church a tithe. The Revolution, when it came, was as much against the privileges of the clergy as that of the nobles. I should check out other original fairy tales. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
September 23rd, 2015 at 12:56:14 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18768 |
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/pope-francis-visits-america/pope-francis-prepares-make-saint-controversial-missionary-n432506 You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
September 23rd, 2015 at 1:10:11 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Good grief, this is more stupidity by the Church. Francis has said: "I say this to you with regret: Many grave sins were committed against the native people of America in the name of God," he said. "I humbly ask forgiveness, not only for the offense of the church herself, but also for crimes committed against the native peoples during the so-called conquest of America." An understatement if there ever was one. This new saint was a monster. "Serra would brutally beat and whip men, women and children in order to force obedience among the Indians. Castillo also writes that Serra celebrated the demise of Indian children, referring to their deaths as a "harvest." The new saints crimes against humanity are endless and well documented. Of course the Church says oh well, he was a man of the times he lived in. It was OK to be a monster doing gods work if everybody else was doing it too. Now he's a 'saint'? What an awful church. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/23/opinions/smith-junipero-serra-no-saint/ If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 24th, 2015 at 12:57:58 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 | Back to the title of this thread, the Church is indeed collapsing. In NYC it's out of control, and it's a mirror of the rest of the country. There are a lot of Catholics in NYC, but only 12.5% of them go to mass. This means the churches are going broke because the members aren't filling the offering plates. This has caused the Church to regularly close churches entirely, they closed 31 just last month. There are 40% fewer priests and 65% nuns than just 40 years ago, yet there are more Catholics than ever. But it's in name only, they have no interest in attending mass or being active in the religion. Only 10% go to confession, when 50 years ago it was almost 100%. If these aren't signs of a dying religion, what is. The diocese is so desperate for money, they will selling be off the church properties in NYC just to stay afloat. They are worth billions, one particular church and it's campus is valued at $100 mil. Their interest is in 'puffing up' the image of the dying Catholic system and making it look to outsiders that a crisis is not happening. Good luck with that. The pope should be more concerned with this than the phony baloney non crisis of global warming. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/424552/pope-francis-new-york-archdiocese-decline If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 24th, 2015 at 3:19:15 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 | They had enough money to purchase the Crystal Cathedral in Garden Grove, CA. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
September 24th, 2015 at 3:46:09 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
The Church has billions in assets to get loans with, they are just cash poor. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
September 24th, 2015 at 4:16:42 PM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
So much for camels, needles and rich men. Don't get me wrong, What Jesus said was immoral. But I lack any respect for hypocrites. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |