Over 400 scripted shows on TV

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December 17th, 2015 at 10:08:16 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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EB pointed out that there are now over 400 scripted shows on TV. Looking back at the 1974-75 TV season (before cable only stations) there were slightly over 60 scripted shows on television, and the top 20 shows averaged over 21 million viewers apiece.

The argument is that with so many shows competing for such small audiences (there are only six scripted network shows that average an audience over 10 million | I know that there are more on cable) that quality suffers.

There are some terrible concepts for TV shows, but then there was always stupid shows on TV.

Do you think we were better off with fewer than 100 television scripted series? Or will there always be a mix of the good and the inane?

2015-16 TV season
  1. NCIS 16.783 million
  2. Big Bang Theory 15.489
  3. NCIS: New Orleans 12.878
  4. Empire 12.276
  5. Blue Bloods 10.486
  6. Madam Secretary 10.341

1974-75 TV season
  1. All in the Family (1/30.2 million)
  2. Sanford and Son (2/29.6)
  3. Chico and the Man (3/28.5)
  4. The Jeffersons (4/27.6)
  5. M*A*S*H (5/27.4)
  6. Rhoda (6/26.3)
  7. Good Times (7/25.8)
  8. The Waltons (8/25.5)
  9. Maude (9/24.9)
  10. Hawaii Five-O (10/24.8)
  11. The Mary Tyler Moore Show (11/24.0)
  12. The Rockford Files (12/23.7)
  13. Little House on the Prairie (13/23.5)
  14. Kojak (14/23.3)
  15. Police Woman (15/22.8)
  16. S.W.A.T. (16/22.6)
  17. The Bob Newhart Show (17/22.4)
  18. The Rookies (18/22.0)
  19. Mannix (20/21.6)
  20. Cannon (20/21.6)
  21. Adam-12
  22. Apple's Way
  23. Baretta
  24. Barnaby Jones
  25. Barney Miller
  26. Born Free
  27. Caribe
  28. Columbo / McCloud / McMillan & Wife / Amy Prentiss (NBC Sunday Mystery Movie:)
  29. Dan August
  30. Emergency!
  31. Get Christie Love!
  32. Gunsmoke
  33. Happy Days
  34. Harry O
  35. Hot L Baltimore
  36. Ironside
  37. Karen
  38. Khan!
  39. Kodiak
  40. Kolchak: The Night Stalker
  41. Kung Fu
  42. Lucas Tanner
  43. Mannix
  44. Marcus Welby, M.D.
  45. Medical Center
  46. Movin' On
  47. Nakia
  48. Paper Moon
  49. Paul Sand in Friends and Lovers
  50. Petrocelli
  51. Planet of the Apes
  52. Police Story
  53. Sierra
  54. Sons and Daughters
  55. Sunshine
  56. That's My Mama
  57. The Bob Crane Show
  58. The Manhunter
  59. The New Land
  60. The Odd Couple
  61. The Six Million Dollar Man
  62. The Streets of San Francisco

    Ratings 18-49 year old (2015 season)
    4.77 Empire
    3.95 Big Bang Theory
    2.76 Modern Family
    2.53 Scandal
    2.38 Grey's Anatomy
    2.33 Blindspot
    2.21 NCIS
    2.16 The Goldbergs
    2.12 How to Get Away with Murder
    2.08 The Simpsons
    2.03 The Middle
    2.02 Chicago Med
    2.00 Life in Pieces
December 17th, 2015 at 11:43:32 AM permalink
Evenbob
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7 of the top 10 shows are ethnic
or about women. In the top shows
this year 1 is ethnic (and sucks)
and 1 is about a woman (that also
sucks). They teach in college that
there are, I think, only 5 or 6 different
themes for a TV show. So everything
is just a variation on those themes.
It's all personality driven now, but it
always has been. Imagine All in the
Family or the Cosby Show with anybody
else in the lead role. Or Rockford, or
Magnum, or Gunsmoke. Or TBBT with
no Jim Parsons.
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December 17th, 2015 at 12:30:20 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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YouTube is bigger than any single U.S. cable network among the key demographic that includes those ages 18 to 49.

AFAIK, advertising on YOUTUBE is still like a mini version of advertising on network TV. If a video clip is popular, you can buy advertising time on it. But in the future if people sign in, and provide enough demographic information (in exchange for a shot at prizes), it won't matter what you watch as they will be able to custom insert ads aimed at your ethnicity, age, income group, and sex.

The business case for most scripted TV shows will vanish. Then we may drop below 100 series in a year,
December 17th, 2015 at 12:39:53 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin

AFAIK, advertising on YOUTUBE is still like a mini version of advertising on network TV.


On Youtube, it seems the more you watch
in one session, the longer the commercials
get. And they lose the option of making
it stop in 5 seconds.
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December 17th, 2015 at 3:55:59 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin


Do you think we were better off with fewer than 100 television scripted series? Or will there always be a mix of the good and the inane?


Call it "narrowcasting" or whatever else you like, media has changed and is not going backwards. We may well be in a golden age of sorts and not know it. In the 1990s the stars of "Friends" were making $1MM apiece to get major ratings. The future is smaller, independent productions getting 100M-5MM hardercore fans. A guy can make how-to videos on YT and scratch out a living with low barriers to entry. A cable network can make a "Breaking Bad" and ride it for a few years, building a network around it.

We are better off now. Lots of crap out there, but anyone can find a niche show they like. Fear not the coming shakeout.
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December 17th, 2015 at 9:25:05 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
Call it "narrowcasting" or whatever else you like, media has changed and is not going backwards.


I made this post in December 2014.

Quote: Pacomartin
According to Variety research, broadcast and cable networks this year have aired 145 scripted original primetime series and miniseries, a 14% increase over the same frame in 2013. At least 350 new and returning scripted series have been ordered for the 2014-15 television cycle (including summer 2015), and thatís not including digital outlets.


So just a year later the count is up over 400 scripted shows.
December 18th, 2015 at 12:49:24 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin
So just a year later the count is up over 400 scripted shows.


90% of it is pure crap. It's like the
pulp fiction novels churned out
in the 40's, there was a huge market
for dreck. Netflix is especially guilty,
have they ever turned down a story
idea? Seems unlikely.

Bloodline is good, I'm sure they'll F
Up the 2nd season. Other than that,
there's nothing on Nflix I'm looking
forward to. I watched 8 min on the
cowboy movie and tried to forget
it, was not successful.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
December 18th, 2015 at 3:23:55 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin

So just a year later the count is up over 400 scripted shows.


A point to remember is how many episodes of the new shows are there? Back in the days of network they ordered 22 new episodes for a season, running them twice each. Now, seasons can be most any length on streaming, but 7-12 is more common. On TV which has seasons you need that 22 to fill a year. Netflix just makes enough episodes of OITNB to tell that year's story, and in fact when you binge that is a nicer amount to watch. More variety, less filler.
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December 18th, 2015 at 4:18:04 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
A point to remember is how many episodes of the new shows are there?.


That's a good point. A lot of cable series are very short. I was watching "Haven" on sci-fi or streaming. They just completed their sixth set of 13 episodes since their premier on July 9, 2010 (i.e. 6*13=78 episodes). In the old business model, they would have shot more episodes to make it sale-able for syndication. Now, 78 episodes is enough. But the problem is that there are such long breaks that you forget what the storyline was about. Viewership started at 2.34 million and ended up at 530 thousand.

It's like the Edinburgh Festival Fringe (The Fringe), which is the world's largest arts festival, with the 2014 event spanning 25 days and featuring over 3,193 shows from 51 countries in 299 venues. There are so many shows, that it is difficult to decide what you want to see. Who would think to watch 12 Angry Men staged using comedians in the roles of the twelve jurors.
December 18th, 2015 at 5:26:54 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: Pacomartin
Who would think to watch 12 Angry Men staged using comedians in the roles of the twelve jurors.


If they're going to us comedians, they should cast only six. That way they have to be twice as angry :)
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