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April 1st, 2016 at 3:48:08 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: odiousgambit
Negro? wow, there are plenty of black Cubans, and I had thought, generally, communist regimes liked to play like they are un-racist since they like to poke at the US for its racial problems.
Negro is "black" in Spanish.
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April 1st, 2016 at 5:46:16 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: AZDuffman
Well, we could take the position that 'negro" is not universally racist as it is just an African term for black. .


It's a slaver name for blacks, it's not African.
If you have a southern drawl, and say the
word 'negro', it comes out 'niggra'. Say
niggra enough times in a sentence and
you'll be saying nigger in no time. Say
niggra 10 times fast and you'll get the
general idea.
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April 1st, 2016 at 8:24:23 PM permalink
kenarman
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The various names for black Americans are derived from the river Niger which has given its name to country of Nigeria. It is a European name given to the river centuries ago. The African names for the river usually translate to some form of the "the river of rivers". The name for the slaves taken to the Americas came from the river.
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April 2nd, 2016 at 11:26:27 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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Quote: kenarman
The various names for black Americans are derived from the river Niger which has given its name to country of Nigeria. It is a European name given to the river centuries ago. The African names for the river usually translate to some form of the "the river of rivers". The name for the slaves taken to the Americas came from the river.


Whoever told you that, led you wrong here, I have to think.

The derivation of the word is from Latin and it does mean 'black' ... there's no need to make it any more complicated than that.

It may be the case that in Cuba it is not particularly considered insulting to be referred to as a Negro, in the same way that a black person in the US is now often referred to as an African American. But in the context of addressing someone, I think 'Negro' has to be intended as an insult, same as picking any other identifier and starting out with it like that, even using a polite term.
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April 2nd, 2016 at 12:27:52 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: kenarman
The name for the slaves taken to the Americas came from the river.


Negro is Spanish for the color black.
Niger is Latin for black. Nigger is the
Southification of the word Negro. They
said it with a drawl and it came out 'niggra'.

"It is probable that nigger is a phonetic spelling of the White Southern mispronunciation of Negro."
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April 2nd, 2016 at 4:04:51 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Evenbob
"It is probable that nigger is a phonetic spelling of the White Southern mispronunciation of Negro."


It probably has an etymology that broader than that. The color "nigger-brown" was widely used in Australia, Hong Kong and Britain before WWII, and I don't think they got it from the American South.

There was a feeling that it was an insult even back as far as the 19th century. But clearly in GWTW it was clear that the word was understood to be negative.

"You're a fool nigger, and the worst day's work Pa ever did was to buy you," said Scarlett slowly. ... There, she thought, I've said "nigger" and Mother wouldn't like that at all. [Margaret Mitchell, "Gone With the Wind," 1936]


Quote: OED

Negro (n.)
"member of a black-skinned race of Africa," 1550s,
from Spanish or Portuguese negro "black,"
from Latin nigrum (nominative niger) "black, dark, sable, dusky," figuratively "gloomy, unlucky, bad, wicked,"
of unknown origin (perhaps from PIE *nekw-t- "night;" see Watkins).

As an adjective from 1590s.

Use with a capital N- became general early 20c. (e.g. 1930 in "New York Times" stylebook) in reference to U.S. citizens of African descent,
but because of its perceived association with white-imposed attitudes and roles the word was ousted late 1960s in this sense by Black (q.v.).

Professor Booker T. Washington, being politely interrogated ... as to whether negroes ought to be called 'negroes' or 'members of the colored race' has replied that it has long been his own practice to write and speak of members of his race as negroes, and when using the term 'negro' as a race designation to employ the capital 'N' ["Harper's Weekly," June 2, 1906]

Meaning "English language as spoken by U.S. blacks" is from 1704.
French nègre is a 16c. borrowing from Spanish negro.


obloquy (n.) mid-15c., "evil speaking,"

Quote: OED

nigger (n.)
1786, earlier neger (1568, Scottish and northern England dialect), from French nègre, from Spanish negro (see Negro).

From the earliest usage it was "the term that carries with it all the obloquy and contempt and rejection which whites have inflicted on blacks" [cited in Gowers, 1965, probably Harold R. Isaacs].

But as black inferiority was at one time a near universal assumption in English-speaking lands, the word in some cases could be used without deliberate insult. More sympathetic writers late 18c. and early 19c. seem to have used black (n.) and, after the American Civil War, colored person.

Also applied by English settlers to dark-skinned native peoples in India, Australia, Polynesia. The reclamation of the word as a neutral or positive term in black culture (not universally regarded as a worthwhile enterprise), often with a suggestion of "soul" or "style," is attested first in the U.S. South, later (1968) in the Northern, urban-based Black Power movement.

Used in combinations (such as nigger-brown) since 1840s for various dark brown or black hues or objects; euphemistic substitutions (such as Zulu) began to appear in these senses c. 1917. Brazil nuts were called nigger toes by 1896. Variant niggah, attested from 1925 (without the -h, from 1969), is found usually in situations where blacks use the word. Nigra (1944), on the other hand, in certain uses reflects a pronunciation of negro meant to suggest nigger, and is thus deemed (according to a 1960 slang dictionary) "even more derog[atory] than 'nigger.' " Slang phrase nigger in the woodpile attested by 1800; "A mode of accounting for the disappearance of fuel; an unsolved mystery" [R.H. Thornton, "American Glossary," 1912]. Nigger heaven "the top gallery in a (segregated) theater" first attested 1878 in reference to Troy, N.Y.
April 2nd, 2016 at 4:57:48 PM permalink
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Quote: Pacomartin
What's the answer??


Sorry for the tardy reply. You are correct!
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April 2nd, 2016 at 5:13:21 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin

There was a feeling that it was an insult even back as far as the 19th century.


The only people I hear using it now young is
blacks. I suppose some whites still use it in
the deep south, in private.
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April 2nd, 2016 at 6:25:39 PM permalink
Dalex64
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It still seems to slip out in public rather inconveniently for white politicians every now and then.
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April 3rd, 2016 at 5:31:05 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Evenbob
The only people I hear using it now young is
blacks.


They like using it to show whitey they can use it and he cannot. That is what it is all about.
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