Democratic Nominee in 2020

Quote: RonC

The only thing that will be "butt hurting" about it is the screwing we will take if he gets to implement his nutso policies.
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Something is up when people
like Van Jones and Chris Matthews
say Bernie is a socialist whackjob.
He has freebie plans and zero
ideas of where money is coming
from. If you ask him, he gets mad
about it.

A strong third candidate in the primaries inevitably means poor showing in the general election.

1988 Democratic primaries
1,792 Michael Dukakis 30 states/10,024,101
1,023 Jesse Jackson 13 states/6,941,816
374 Al Gore 7 states/ 3,190,992

1984 Democratic primaries
1,929 Walter Mondale 22 states /6,952,912
1,164 Gary Hart 26 states/6,504,842
358 Jesse Jackson 4 states/3,282,431

A knock-down drag out fight between two candidates in the primaries, is not really decisive about the general election. The 2nd place might get a strong position in the administration

2008 Democratic primaries
2,272.5 Barack Obama 33 states/17,535,458
1,978 Hillary Clinton 23 states17,493,836

1976 Republican primaries
1,121 Gerald Ford 27 states / 5,529,899
1,078 Ronald Reagan 23 states / 4,760,222

By states I mean states or territories.

Quote: rxwine

I don't find this convincing.

For instance, how long do you think it would take to cast enough doubt on an elaborate foreign state developed hoax designed to seriously damage a candidate dropped 2 days before an election?

Sure we can eventually expose it for what it is, but the public would surely be massively confused for 2 days with something so close to the presidential election. All you have to do is cast enough doubt on one or other of the candidates for that short period of time.

And I'm talking about disinformation created by the expertise and money of a foreign state; a whole team of professionals developing the hoax for months in advance.

Sounds like you are talking about CBS and Dan Rather.

Quote: SOOPOO

Question for the forum.... if Bloomberg gets destroyed on Super Tuesday, and has to drop out, does he use his money to help another Democrat? If he had to endorse one of the 5 remaining, who does he endorse?

I bet he would endorse Mayor Pete or Biden, whoever has the most delegates at that point in the race. His goals are pretty clear to me, he wants to beat Trump without a progressive agenda. If he can't do it, he will try to get somebody else in there.

Quote: AcesAndEights

I bet he would endorse Mayor Pete or Biden, whoever has the most delegates at that point in the race. His goals are pretty clear to me, he wants to beat Trump without a progressive agenda. If he can't do it, he will try to get somebody else in there.

Uh...no!!!! If his goal was to beat Trump he would have endorsed the candidate with a chance of beating him in the general election, not thrown his hat into the ring to further fracture an already divided party? You don't think his HALF BILLION already spent would have been better spent on going after Donald? Does he think it helps elect a Democrat when Warren has to point out his weaknesses?

His goal was ego driven, that HE was the guy to get rid of Trump, not to help ANYONE take Trump down. I agree that I can see him endorsing Biden or Pete for the Democrat nomination; basically anyone but Sanders or Warren.
It will be super interesting if Sanders is the nominee if Bloomberg does some silly third party thing to guarantee Trump victory.

Quote: SOOPOO

Uh...no!!!! If his goal was to beat Trump he would have endorsed the candidate with a chance of beating him in the general election, not thrown his hat into the ring to further fracture an already divided party? You don't think his HALF BILLION already spent would have been better spent on going after Donald? Does he think it helps elect a Democrat when Warren has to point out his weaknesses?

His goal was ego driven, that HE was the guy to get rid of Trump, not to help ANYONE take Trump down. I agree that I can see him endorsing Biden or Pete for the Democrat nomination; basically anyone but Sanders or Warren.
It will be super interesting if Sanders is the nominee if Bloomberg does some silly third party thing to guarantee Trump victory.

You're right that his ego is a huge factor, sorry I didn't mention that. Yeah, he clearly believes HE is the guy to do that, and also beat out those crazy progressives. But if he's down and out, he will likely throw his weight behind the next most likely moderate.

I wouldn't rule out a 3rd party run on his part, again with the ego. And all things considered, I believe he would rather have Trump than Bernie. He is a billionaire after all.

Quote: RonC

The only thing that will be "butt hurting" about it is the screwing we will take if he gets to implement his nutso policies.

Donald Trump, the "man" with the makeup and hairspray himself, disagrees. He doesn't think healthcare for all is "nutso". In fact, HE RAN ON IT AS A PROMISE IN HIS CAMPAIGN. And here is, admitting our system sucks and that universal health care is better.

Quote: Tripdufan

Donald Trump, the "man" with the makeup and hairspray himself, disagrees. He doesn't think healthcare for all is "nutso". In fact, HE RAN ON IT AS A PROMISE IN HIS CAMPAIGN. And here is, admitting our system sucks and that universal health care is better.

If you agree with him then why do you hate him so?

If you are not in the USA then why do you care about American health care?

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: Tripdufan

Donald Trump, the "man" with the makeup and hairspray himself, disagrees. He doesn't think healthcare for all is "nutso". In fact, HE RAN ON IT AS A PROMISE IN HIS CAMPAIGN. And here is, admitting our system sucks and that universal health care is better.

If you agree with him then why do you hate him so?

If you are not in the USA then why do you care about American health care?

I despise Trump because he moves on married women "like bitches", calls third-world countries "shitholes", brags about his cock at a presidential debate, cheatss on his wives, pays hush money to porn stars while his 3rd wife breastfeeds his 5th child, uses his own charity to enrich himself, stifs small family businesses from payment while drowing them in litigation, cheats people out of thousands dollars in a fake real estate "university" scam, degrades women by saying "you can't be a ten without big tits", lies to our faces on a daily basis, displays blatant hypocrisy by saying "he won't have time to play golf" while he spends hundreds of millions of OUR dollars ON GOLF TRIPS, abuses the power we bestowed upon him for his personal gain, ridicules military veterans because they disagree with him politically while being too chickenshit himself to serve, lies to our faces and says he is protecting pre-existing conditions while his administration is currently in court fighting the protection of pre-existing coditions, and i mean, I seriously, could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Oh, and spends two years dividng our country over the national anthem, even going as far to say "maybe you shouldn't be in the country" if you don't "stand proudly", while himself disrespects our national anthem by acting like a child who can't sit still. Whatever happened to the good old "don't say one thing and do the other" value? Back when America was great, were there such unapologetic hypocrites?

The guy is a terrible human being and it's national embarrassment that he is our president.

Quote: Tripdufan

Quote: AZDuffman

Quote: Tripdufan

Donald Trump, the "man" with the makeup and hairspray himself, disagrees. He doesn't think healthcare for all is "nutso". In fact, HE RAN ON IT AS A PROMISE IN HIS CAMPAIGN. And here is, admitting our system sucks and that universal health care is better.

If you agree with him then why do you hate him so?

If you are not in the USA then why do you care about American health care?

I despise Trump because he moves on married women "like bitches", calls third-world countries "shitholes", brags about his cock at a presidential debate, cheatss on his wives, pays hush money to porn stars while his 3rd wife breastfeeds his 5th child, uses his own charity to enrich himself, stifs small family businesses from payment while drowing them in litigation, cheats people out of thousands dollars in a fake real estate "university" scam, degrades women by saying "you can't be a ten without big tits", lies to our faces on a daily basis, displays blatant hypocrisy by saying "he won't have time to play golf" while he spends hundreds of millions of OUR dollars ON GOLF TRIPS, abuses the power we bestowed upon him for his personal gain, ridicules military veterans because they disagree with him politically while being too chickenshit himself to serve, lies to our faces and says he is protecting pre-existing conditions while his administration is currently in court fighting the protection of pre-existing coditions, and i mean, I seriously, could go on and on and on and on and on and on and on.

Oh, and spends two years dividng our country over the national anthem, even going as far to say "maybe you shouldn't be in the country" if you don't "stand proudly", while himself disrespects our national anthem by acting like a child who can't sit still. Whatever happened to the good old "don't say one thing and do the other" value? Back when America was great, were there such unapologetic hypocrites?

The guy is a terrible human being and it's national embarrassment that he is our president.

Well except for those minor things you mention, what do you have against Trump?