Worst possible news for Boeing

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January 8th, 2020 at 6:29:51 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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no indication of type or degree of maintenance efforts.


Iran intends to conduct the investigation which seems like a massive mistake.

The Boeing 737-800 was in good condition and was serviced on Jan. 6, the airline said. It was delivered new to Ukraine International Airlines in 2016 and no problems had been recently reported, the company added.

The crew was highly experienced, including a captain who had 11,600 hours on Boeing 737 and 5,500 of those as a captain, according to the airline.


The flight took off from Tehran’s Imam Khomeini Airport at 6:12 a.m. and lost contact at 6:14 a.m., according to flight-tracking site Flightradar24. The airline said the plane reached about 2,400 meters, about 7,900 feet, which pilots and experts said was a normal altitude for that stage in the flight.

The abrupt cut to location data was peculiar, said Jeff Price, an aviation safety expert and a professor in the Department of aviation and aerospace science at Metropolitan State University of Denver, because when dealing with a mechanical failure, normally pilots would communicate with the airport and the plane would continue to transmit data.

“It just went dark,” Price said. “It’s just odd.”
January 9th, 2020 at 12:59:09 AM permalink
petroglyph
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/boeing-now-saying-pilots-simulator-190304118.html
Everyone gets thrown from the plane to maintain altitude
January 9th, 2020 at 9:06:56 AM permalink
ams288
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CBS News: US officials now “confident” that Iran shot down the Ukrainian 737.
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January 9th, 2020 at 9:19:03 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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CBS News: US officials now “confident” that Iran shot down the Ukrainian 737.
Yes, its just that Iran doesn't want to formally admit it.
January 9th, 2020 at 6:55:53 PM permalink
ams288
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Internal communications released by Boeing seem especially damning:



https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/business/boeing-737-messages.html
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January 12th, 2020 at 1:00:28 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Internal communications released by Boeing seem especially damning:


Eight out of eleven mainline US airlines have no ordered 658 A320neo family aircraft (and are leasing another 30) while MAX orders are 549 from four airlines.

280 Southwest Airlines
137 United Airlines
100 American Airlines
32 Alaska Airlines
549

Two small airlines (Allegiant, and Sun Country) have not ordered NEOs or MAXs and are at the time being comfortable with older models. The proposed new airline, Moxy, is not considering Boeing jets.

So if US airlines are favoring NEO over MAX, it is highly unlikely that other countries will favor the MAX.

The A320 neo family now has 7188 orders while the Boeing MAX orders stand at 4912 (possible variance for year will be announced on Tuesday). Boeing is shutting down production this month until it moves some of the 400+ jets produced in 2019 that have not been delivered.

Pressure is mounting on Boeing to abandon their plans for a "New Midsize Airplane" and develop a "New Single-Aisle Airplane".
January 12th, 2020 at 3:25:17 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Pressure is mounting on Boeing to abandon their plans for a "New Midsize Airplane" and develop a "New Single-Aisle Airplane".
Recent headlines involving the MAX seem to indicate Boeing lost its development abilities and is beset by internal strife such as vital employees hiring independent counsel.

I realize there is a difference between the public's perception and the airplane buyers perceptions but when I start hearing about whistleblowers and adversarial relationships with top design executives and an engineering/sales design conflict, robotic assembly write-offs, I think the company has lost its ability to design anything other than litigation strategies.
January 17th, 2020 at 11:37:34 AM permalink
petroglyph
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https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/boeing-shares-slide-reports-new-737-max-software-issue

On top of the mounting problems with the 737, Boeing still has issues with it's military tanker plane.

“The Air Force continues to accept deliveries of a tanker incapable of performing its primary operational mission.”

If it were not for the necessity of being able to produce aircraft for homeland defense, Boeing might collapse. That is not capitalism.
Everyone gets thrown from the plane to maintain altitude
January 17th, 2020 at 11:47:33 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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WHY is the tanker not working properly?
January 17th, 2020 at 12:09:22 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Google says: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-09-19/boeings-refueling-tanker-risks-running-four-more-years-late

" Boeing officials told reporters during a May 2018 visit to the aircraft conversion facility outside Seattle that they deployed a software solution expected to overcome the main hurdle."

ruh ro, another software solution.
Everyone gets thrown from the plane to maintain altitude
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