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First Principles
| December 30th, 2020 at 3:59:55 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Bob, first of all thank you for sharing your conception of God in a clear way. We have almost opposite conceptions of God. God for me is a person who loves me and whom I love. Who invites me to love everyone. God encourages me to become a virtuous man through human effort and patient perservence. God is there personally to forgive me when I make mistakes and constantly brings me hope. God teaches me that this world is not all there is and that there are eternal consequences of how we live our precious lives on Earth. God is personal; a friend, a brother, a savior, a Holy Spirit, a Father to me. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| December 30th, 2020 at 5:34:26 AM permalink | |
| gamerfreak Member since: Feb 19, 2018 Threads: 4 Posts: 527 |
Just for some context on these conversations, what denomination of Christianity are you? |
| December 30th, 2020 at 9:09:34 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Because that's what you were taught that god is. I wasn't taught god was anything, I was taught nothing about the concept of god. We are what we were taught, this is how we look at reality. Lots of god for you, none for me. Why do I fell I'm the lucky one here, and you have this giant millstone you drag everywhere.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| December 30th, 2020 at 12:19:13 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Unfortunately I wasn't really taught all that well about God in my youth, maybe that's why I drifted from my faith for awhile. It is your atheism that is based on misconceptions and poor understanding of who God is. The god you think exists I would heartily reject as well. I came to know the personal love of Jesus Christ not from a textbook or a teacher. For context in the conversation I am a Catholic. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| December 30th, 2020 at 12:33:09 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
You mean I have my understanding of god and you have yours and I'm wrong because I don't have yours And I'm wrong to all other god believers because I don't have their understanding. There is no one 'understanding' of god, there are as many as people want to make up. You simply decided yours is the the correct one and that's that for you. Case closed. . I just refuse to play the silly god game, it's such a waste of time. It's so destructive and non productive. Look at Islam. That part of the world was thriving until Islam came along and Allah put a stop to it. God religions are just a way to control people, all under the guise of 'love'. Read the Bible and the Koran, bursting with love they are not. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| December 30th, 2020 at 12:41:32 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | As a Catholic there is an understanding about God, and it is not from what I can tell what you reject. There is such a thing as Truth, we are not all correct about God. I reject your notion of god, just like you do. You pretend to reject my conception of God, but from what I see do not understand it or even have tried to. The Bible is indeed bursting with love. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| December 30th, 2020 at 2:38:01 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
And all the god people think they have it, just ask them. They have wars over their god truth against some other religions god truth. For me and many atheists, because none of your 'truth' can be proven, you're all wrong and there is no god. It's so obvious. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| December 30th, 2020 at 3:39:04 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Many more wars and death have been caused by atheists claiming their own truths. Truths can be proven and argued, that is why God gave us reason and intelligence. There is objective truth and it is worth pursing, I wish you all the best on your pursuit of truth. Please don't just write off God or accept atheism without any reasons besides your own feelings or desires. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| December 30th, 2020 at 4:00:14 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Which shows it's all speculation, truth has nothing to do with it. Everybody thinks they have the truth, when nobody really has it. That's what is so great about being an atheist, I can see this clear as day and you cannot. Or will not, which is closer to reality. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| December 30th, 2020 at 4:11:13 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | So nobody has the truth? So I am just as correct as you are? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |