The Smoking Thread

Quote: rxwine

You ever smoke tobacco through a water pipe? Or is that essentially what vaping is now?

I believe they are different, but I've not tried either of those things. I know what I'm getting with cigarettes, lung cancer, emphysema, all of that. My concern with the vapes is that they might somehow devastate the lungs more quickly.

Another thing is that most of the people who I know to vape also smoke!!! The only exceptions are the vapers I know who never smoked in the first place.

Quote: missedhervee

I started smoking pot when I was fourteen or fifteen and never really stopped.

Tried puffing opiated hash (liked it) and brown tar heroin (only once: also liked it but had the smarts to say "never again").

Never bothered with smoking crack, or meth: no tweaker, me: just an old school stoner.

Nice! Lots of people like it and the notion that it is not legalized and taxed everywhere is insane to me, especially given deficits and national debt. My understanding is that it would be, only to corn, the second biggest cash crop in the country...but I read that sometime ago, so maybe that's not true anymore.

I do not like marijuana whatsoever. I dislike that particular kind of high and it makes me sleepy. I have no trouble being sleepy naturally, because that is my default state. Additionally, the drymouth all throughout the following day is borderline intolerable for me. I last tried marijuana probably three years ago and have done it on fewer than ten occasions, lifetime. I literally drank a gallon of water throughout the following day (after waking up at the crack of noon) and my mouth was still ridiculously dry. I also brushed my teeth three or four times because I couldn't shake the taste.

The only other illegal drug I've ever used is cocaine, which is awesome, but I only used it a few times because my getting hooked would have been a mortal lock.

Haven’t read any posts in this thread. Summary.... smoking is plain DISGUSTING.

Quote: Mission146

Have you ever tried the cigarette-sized mini-cigars?

disliked any I tried

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I think Al Capones are a brand you might really like, Cognac dipped mini-cigars, but don't try them on my account. I'd be more than a little upset with myself if you got hooked, started smoking them as often as cigarettes and it was my fault!

Might check them out, but doubt it because of the above comment, and these Italian-named cheroot-type cigars I really like. Until you get to a cigar that costs about $6 or more, I prefer these to anything else.

I say Italian-named as they use American tobacco from KY and TN and make the in the US too.

Quote: SOOPOO

Haven’t read any posts in this thread. Summary.... smoking is plain DISGUSTING.

Look, here's the thing...

Wait a minute.

Hold on.

Sorry, it's windy. Just give me a second.

(Click, click, woooossshhhhh)

There we go. I know it's disgusting, thank you. I bet, if I could watch you for a day, you might have some habits that I would find disgusting.

My most disgusting habit is biting my nails. I don't even bite them so much as viciously attack them like a rabid animal.

Quote: odiousgambit

disliked any I tried
Might check them out, but doubt it because of the above comment, and these Italian-named cheroot-type cigars I really like. Until you get to a cigar that costs about $6 or more, I prefer these to anything else.

I say Italian-named as they use American tobacco from KY and TN and make the in the US too.

I've had those, they're quite good!

Tatiana Sweets is another example of a nice cigarette-sized one I've had; I first got those at Four Queens because they had an offer once where you could spend up to $100 (I think it was) cash and they'd give it back in Free Play. Basically, a hundred or whatever in food, alcohol and cigars for an expected loss of about a dollar!

There's also a brand called Captain Black that comes in a cigarette pack, but I don't think you'd like it. The smell of the smoke that comes directly off of them is extremely robust, so I'd say they're only for a regular smoker of something.

As far as individual sticks, I think Baccarat is a really good one for the price.

I order my cigars and checked out the Al Capone. At the cart page it said my shipping options would be limited with that kind of product. Not even sure what that was about but deleted that, kind of didn't want to order anyway.

Real good chance the Parodis are made with Burley tobacco. That's the kind of tobacco small farmers often grow in TN/KY which is kind of cool. Not sure if bigtime tobacco growers also grow it. Learned about it when traveling around that area, the curing barns are different, allowing a lot of circulation by having the sides of the barn not quite get to the ground. This tobacco type could be why I like them.

Quote: odiousgambit

I order my cigars and checked out the Al Capone. At the cart page it said my shipping options would be limited with that kind of product. Not even sure what that was about but deleted that, kind of didn't want to order anyway.

Real good chance the Parodis are made with Burley tobacco. That's the kind of tobacco small farmers often grow in TN/KY which is kind of cool. Not sure if bigtime tobacco growers also grow it. Learned about it when traveling around that area, the curing barns are different, allowing a lot of circulation by having the sides of the barn not quite get to the ground. This tobacco type could be why I like them.

Don't order! I just said that I didn't want to be responsible if...lol

Next time we hang out, I'll make sure to have some Al Capones on me. There are a few places around here to get them, and I think one place even has them in packs of two.

Burley tobacco, hmmm? I guess you do like your smoke rich! Golden/Mahogany burley tobacco is often used in pipe tobaccos, with perhaps the most common brand that you will see being Prince Albert. The Captain Black I was telling you about, at least their pipe tobacco, is a mix of Virginia, Burley and Cavendish...Cavendish also being a main one to appear as the sole tobacco in many pipe tobaccos.

When women talk about their Uncle's house or Grandpa's house and have childhood memories of his pipe (and the smell it would leave in the room) being comforting, they are often talking about the scent of Burley tobacco! The smoke is very rich, on direct, but the smell is mainly of warmth and spices.

One liquor that captures this (but is expensive and I don't drink anymore) is Talisker Storm scotch! Talisker Storm has the nose of a fresh-burning outdoor log fire of cherry wood. You may combine this with a burley tobacco smoked out of a pipe and it's just paradise for your olfactory sense! It'll probably make just about anyone sleepy, though.

I never got drunk off of Talisker, is the point. It's meant to be savored. It's probably the only expensive (for me) liquor that I've ever bought because it's really tough to justify. I'd usually fall asleep holding it before finishing even half of a lowball with the glass still being held firmly just under my nose.

Quote: Mission146

Renegades were like Bandits, but stronger. They were thicker and were also moistened, unlike bandits. I think the outside of them was coated with moistened dip that would somehow dissolve.

I went bottom shelf with dip and Renegades. That was the main reason I liked the Skoal Long Cut Mint, (the cherry one I can't remember was also long cut) it doesn't really get in your teeth and stays together well. I probably was hooked on nicotine in those days, but now not so much. If I start to get tired, then it's usually hot tea that first comes to mind.

Skoal has some good flavors. I like Apple. But, maybe its just me, I get it stuck in my teeth, I just find pouches cleaner and less objectionable. Even Snus, I prefer pouches (portioned) over loose snus, I just don't like loose tobacco in my mouth.

Quote: Mission146

That's all reasonable, nothing wrong with encouraging people to ingest nicotine in a safer way. If by smokeless tobacco you mean dip, I don't think that's any safer...it's a pick your poison sort of thing.

I have to disagree with you there. I am not saying dip is safe, but its far safer than smoking. Even using the worse forms of smokeless tobacco (loose traditional dip) is leagues safer than smoking as far as survival rates. Even if you get mouth cancer (which is rare, its actually more common in smokers), you usually survive.

250k people a year die from smokeless tobacco (74% of which are in India). As opposed to smoking 8 million a year (not counting second hand smoke deaths).....
https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20150902/chewing-tobacco-kills-more-than-250000-people-each-year-report
500k Americans die from cigarettes every year, that is almost double than all smokeless tobacco deaths across the world.

Mouth cancer is generally survivable if you get regular dental checkups (and again smoking actually causes more mouth cancer than dip along with many other issues....)

That being said smokeless tobacco refers to literally any kind of tobacco that does not involve smoking, oral snuff, chewing tobacco, nasal snuff, snus, etc.... So even if you rule out dip (oral snuff), nasal snuff and snus are regarded to be extremely safe (something like 98-99% safer than smoking, with the main risk being the increased BP from nicotine, similar to using caffeine regularly, virtually no direct damage from the tobacco itself, even dip -the "worst" form- I think is like 92-95% safer than smoking in terms of long-term survival ratings). And, of course there are now endless completely tobacco free alternatives which are even safer (nicotine patches, nicotine pouches, lozenges, gum, etc....) For example, I would probably say nicotine patches are probably the absolute safest way to consume nicotine (it absorbs through your skin so it has no way to damage any of your orifices), of course I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

Quote: Mission146

We agree that this one should be local! Definitely cities and counties. I'll tell you what happened in one County when they outlawed it in bars and left it legal in gambling parlors...a bunch of bars closed and a bunch more gambling parlors opened!

Yeah, I fully respect the rights of nonsmokers, and will always abide by the rules of an establishment and social cues (for example I have been at clubs where friends have asked me and others to not smoke at the table, and I always oblige even if others make snide comments, for me that is not the hill to die on). If I am somewhere where smoking is prohibited I would never smoke (which is easy for me, because I specifically seek out smoking places when I want to rarely smoke). But, I think when it comes to adult entertainment (bars, clubs, casinos) it should be up to the establishment to allow or prohibit smoking, and then people can naturally go where they prefer. For example I would probably generally prefer to be nonsmoking 99% of the time, but if I am in a smoking mood I can choose to go to a smoking club. I can understand cities wanting to ban smoking in places like schools and hospitals and places where people both don't have a choice to go, and there are children. But, I think generally bars, clubs, casinos should be allowed (again legally speaking, it should be up to the management to set their own policies and enforce it how they wish, if they want full smoking great, smoking sections great, separated smoking rooms that are ventilated great, no smoking at all great, their choice, and customers can choose to go or not go).

Quote: Mission146

Nice! Lots of people like it and the notion that it is not legalized and taxed everywhere is insane to me, especially given deficits and national debt. My understanding is that it would be, only to corn, the second biggest cash crop in the country...but I read that sometime ago, so maybe that's not true anymore.

I do not like marijuana whatsoever. I dislike that particular kind of high and it makes me sleepy. I have no trouble being sleepy naturally, because that is my default state. Additionally, the drymouth all throughout the following day is borderline intolerable for me. I last tried marijuana probably three years ago and have done it on fewer than ten occasions, lifetime. I literally drank a gallon of water throughout the following day (after waking up at the crack of noon) and my mouth was still ridiculously dry. I also brushed my teeth three or four times because I couldn't shake the taste.

The only other illegal drug I've ever used is cocaine, which is awesome, but I only used it a few times because my getting hooked would have been a mortal lock.

I am not a marijuana fan. I a not saying I have used it illegally, but I don't like the concept of it, and the concept of how it would feel very awkward and not enjoyable. As far as drugs that alter perception, alcohol is easily my favorite (and its conveniently legal).

I am honestly afraid to try cocaine. I love stimulants, so I would probably love it (so its probably best that I do not try it because I could see myself getting addicted). Though speaking of dip, there are certain parts of South America where coca leaves are made into an almost snuff type substance and either dipped or chewed which gives you a steady but more mild effect, this seems like something that I would enjoy (though due to laws would never try, however if I ever moved to a country where it was not a legal issue I probably would try it, I could see myself enjoying it very much).

https://www.tni.org/en/primer/coca-leaf-myths-and-reality

I can say with all honesty, nicotine, alcohol, and caffeine are my favorite drugs, which luckily are all legal in the U.S. I do think other drugs (especially marijuana) should be legalized. But, to me its not worth the legal risk for something that I would probably not even enjoy that much compared to legal and socially acceptable alternatives.

Quote: SOOPOO

Haven’t read any posts in this thread. Summary.... smoking is plain DISGUSTING.

Says who?

My grandpa smoked two packs of unfiltered Chesterfields a day til he died at a ripe old age.

Besides, doctors were cool with it once; what has changed since then?