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October 26th, 2019 at 5:01:51 PM permalink
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This kid. It's beyond coincident at this point...

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We have found the answer: Walleye or pike?

With a nod to Schrödinger, the answer is yes.


Turns out I was wrong...



I said pike because that's all I've seen. But that's no pike...




It's a goddamn tiger musky. "Fish of 10,000 casts" and it took him 10 -_-

Unreal. Guess I better start looking for a home. Much as I'd love it, they sure as hell can't stay here...

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November 7th, 2019 at 6:32:06 PM permalink
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It's almost indoor season for FWF, so I'm gonna give breeding a shot this year. I suppose it's mostly something to keep the mind busy, but the goal here is be my own feeder supplier. At the height of summer I went crickin' every single day with catches of 20 - 90 and still never built up a surplus. Perhaps, much like the glut of frog eggs give me a reprieve, I can keep a cycle of home grown fry going to spare me some free time. Here's hoping anyway.

My secondary pet store is pretty cool, if not weird as hell. It's a feed and tack store, it just happens to have the best selection of exotics around. Silver and marbled gar, some sort of dragon eel lookin thing, patriot crabs, had a 16" clown knifefish for only $16. They even had a freshwater ray that took a lot of internal dialog to pull away from, not that the $230 price tag didn't help =) But I was there for goldies, and it's about the only place that has them at sexual maturity. I had planned on going full comet as their growth and size fits my bill the best, but supply forced a compromise and I came out with a bit of a mixed bag...



These are all the same fish. In the back there are two fantail (one red one calico), and frontside there's two comets and a shubunkin, but every one of these are Carassius auratus. This means they can all interbreed and produce viable offspring, the only question is wtf is it going to look like. There's not a way to sex nonbreeding fish and I failed at trying to math my way to success, so I figured 5 coin flips would be Good Enough to ensure I got at least one male and one female, hence my 5 beauties here. If anyone wants to explain that 10 grade math concept, I'd hear it as it may save me money in the future =p But assuming I got at least one of each, they're pretty much good to go right now. That middle comet is about the smallest at 5" and the shubunkin is about a tick over 8"; there's nothing to do but get started.

Most of this should be about as easy as breeding goldfish. The problem with most garden goldies isn't getting them to breed but getting them to stop, so I don't have too many worries. It looks like my first and one of my only hurdles is preventing shock. Fish work off light and temp much like, well, every other living thing, so to start the process I gotta drop them to <50*F and <8hrs of daylight and keep them there for a month. So long as I can prevent shock, this should be easy thanks to a NY November; I've already got a cycled tank churning away in the garage. Keep 'em in this state long enough and they go into winter mode. Once a month is up, bring em back inside into the warmth and light. They think it's spring, get fertile, and start spraying. This is hurdle #2 - notice when it happens. Should be easy as they lay in sticky mats, but these are stupid goldfish. If you don't catch it right away, they'll turn right around and eat the whole clutch out from under you and you just wasted 6 weeks.

Once laid there's just one more hurdle - tiny feeding. The eggs'll hatch in a week and they'll live of the sac for a day or two, but then their mouths will form and they'll need to eat. Not entirely sure which way to go with this. The "official" way is to also breed brine shrimp. Those are sea monkeys, ain't they? Breed a bunch of those and the fish take right to em. The other way involves some sort of egg and oatmeal paste, but that'll take some attention to prevent water poisoning. I dunno, I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Once at that point, it should just be another month until they're "feeder size" (in quotes because they're way smaller than what I use as feeders lol). That's the size I been throwing in by the hundred every week in the spring and late fall when my crick supply runs dry. So roughly 2 - 3 months from freeze to feeders. I've no idea how many viable feeders I'll end up with, but I gotta figure worst case I'll be starting with thousands of fry, if not tens of. Maybe if I could get a good dump, a thousand + instead of the 50-70-100 at a time, I can overwhelm the predation. Maybe let some last in there, grow even more. Highly doubt it'll ever go self sustaining, but this just might work to cut a good percentage of my crickin' trips down. And will be fun in winter to boot =)
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November 7th, 2019 at 7:53:41 PM permalink
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sea monkeys!

Takes me back to studying those comic book ads.
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February 19th, 2020 at 11:48:06 AM permalink
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Well, breeding's been a flop so far. While the pro's drop temp from 70*F to 50* over the course of weeks, I tried 70* to 30* over the course of hours. One fan tail I had to remove immediately, as he's so deformed he rests vertically in a warm tank. Frozen cold, he had no control of himself and would have surely died. I left the other four to chance. Things looked rough and then got better, all fish resting normally on the bottom and the smallest comet even swimming throughout the water column. A few weeks later though the big shubunkin died. Pissed but wanting it to work, I left them out there until a few weeks later when the big comet died. No rhyme or reason to it, the other fantail was still kickin' and the small comet was still swimming actively. But pissed off and disappointed, I threw in the towel and brought em all in, eventually replacing the two losses with two foster fish that had outgrown their tanks.

Two options now as I'm not giving up. One is Mega Pond V.whatever I'm on now, as my latest update is going to create a spot for the small bait fish to breed out of the reach of the larger predators. The other option is coming by way of kitchen update. Once I find an overstock deal, I'm getting a new fridge. Climate and light control all in one package, the old fridge is getting relegated to fish maker. One way or another, I'm gonna make some fish this year.

And speaking of Mega Pond...



For the "Final Upgrade pt 4", I'm ditching the totes. Twas a good idea, but besides the dogs being a pain in the ass always stepping on the lids and falling in them, their use showed me an even better way to clean the pond, and this way will get rid of the eyesore of the totes. This year I'm digging them out for a settling pool, as settling areas is what traps all my sediment. Dig another hole there with pumps and filters inside and all that muck will sit on the floor under them. To clean, just pump it out, and since the cricks split the two bodies, I can pump it all the way out while still keeping the vast majority of all my water in the pond. No tote eyesore, easy to reach, and I won't have to drag out 1,500gal worth of containers to accomplish a cleaning. Additionally, I plan to make a sort of weir in each of the cricks, no so much for the water as it is for the fish. I good, perforated dam made of large plates will allow baitfish and fry passage back and forth, while keeping the big predators in the deep end. With hope, this secondary part of the pond will make a good nursery should anything survive the winter.

Other than that, we're here getting ready for a monster season...



The boy cashed in all the missed Xmases and we went on a spree, leaving Cabelas with a receipt to rival CVS. It's but February and we are 99.99% ready. I got all the rest of the rails for holders and all four (!) are rigged up and ready. Planer boards to put all four to use. New fat bumpers to keep the ride pretty and launch stress low. Deep divers to work the darkness, top waters to work the weeds, bottom bouncers to work the rocks. We got #12's to 2/0's, anything from a 2g dace to a 2m cat, we're ready for it. Carolina rigs, dead bait rigs, the boy wants to do it all, so it all we shall do. It took me ~28yrs to get the cycle, took my kid 10. Now we're gonna try for an entire cycle in one year. Got my Parks Card for unlimited launches, just bought a logger's land lease down in Steamburg on the shores of Lake Perfidy, and Pops just retired again. If I weren't so scared of a salty trailer I'd be fishing the warm water outlet at the power plant right now. There's just one more thing I need do, and so I come here...

Lights. I know all of the "hard" stuff like how-to as well as what kind to get, I just can't decide on motif. Competent captain or dude bro dips#$%? I don't really want sterile white light harshing my mellow, but colors sometimes make things hard to see, especially when what you're trying to see is itself colorful. Ditto that for lumens; I don't know what number represents "glow" and what represents "fry your retina".

Does ANYONE have an educated opinion on lighting? I'm talking both deck lights as well as underwater / transom lights...
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February 19th, 2020 at 12:09:47 PM permalink
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When you going to get a mermaid sitting on a rock? Or god of the sea trying to fish with his trident?
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February 25th, 2020 at 4:06:39 PM permalink
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Does ANYONE have an educated opinion on lighting? I'm talking both deck lights as well as underwater / transom lights...
https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/sailing-skills/is-red-light-at-night-best-71181

https://www.boatus.org/study-guide/navigation/lights/

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One could spend the rest of their life practicing navigational pedantry. https://www.navcen.uscg.gov/pdf/navRules/navrules.pdf


added; I know nothing of underwater lighting, but have noticed catfish are attracted to a campfire which isn't considered artificial light, ttbomk.
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February 26th, 2020 at 7:34:43 AM permalink
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Quote: petroglyph
https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/sailing-skills/is-red-light-at-night-best-71181

https://www.boatus.org/study-guide/navigation/lights/

Red Right returning.


Now THAT'S an answer. Perfect, thanks =)


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added; I know nothing of underwater lighting, but have noticed catfish are attracted to a campfire which isn't considered artificial light, ttbomk.


This wasn't to attract, rather it's connected to your link. If my boat's lit up while night fishing, looking into unlit water would be black as night. And if we're night fishing, that means big fish and big hooks.

I don't want to be reaching down blind for any of that and catch a 2/0 in the palm. Regular old white will do me fine for that
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