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| June 9th, 2014 at 8:54:01 PM permalink | |
| Face Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 61 Posts: 3941 | We're just arguing definitions now, but I do love to argue =) distinguished - adj - 1. known by many people because of some quality or achievement 2. making someone seem important and worth respect He checks that box for me, and I certainly admire anyone who puts his own personal safety aside and carries the responsibility to defend those who cannot defend themselves. Of course, I'm arguing just to argue now. Real talk, I think the term "hero" gets thrown around waaaaaay too much. If asked prior to this convo, I'd not have referred to him as a "hero". However, since we got into it, it is hard to deny him that title based on the definitions supplied. Be bold and risk defeat, or be cautious and encourage it. |
| June 9th, 2014 at 10:39:34 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Holy crap. Is everybody in Canada this naive? Crackheads don't use logic, they use the ability to survive at any cost. Burglars are usually druggies, not the old white men you see in the home protection commercials. You usually only get one chance to defend yourself, why be prepared when you have logic on your side. You may end up dead, but at least you were logical. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 10th, 2014 at 12:10:26 AM permalink | |
| Beethoven Member since: Apr 27, 2014 Threads: 18 Posts: 640 |
No, it's called a "shift". Why is it called a "shift"? Because it has nothing to do with what I had asked you: Countless cops have died after getting ambushed while trying to save people. According to you, they're not heroes because they accomplished "nothing", right? *facepalm* Seriously, I can't believe I'm actually having this conversation with somebody. Boron Boron Boron rhymes with moron, moron, moron |
| June 10th, 2014 at 12:18:35 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
I know, it's bizarre. The 'real' world seems to exist in their minds only. I thank god my dad was was not like that. Of course, fighting a war for 4 years in the Pacific might have had something to do with it. Guns don't kill people, people kill people. How fricking hard is this to understand. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| June 10th, 2014 at 1:03:59 AM permalink | |
| Beethoven Member since: Apr 27, 2014 Threads: 18 Posts: 640 | The kid who tackled the Seattle shooter is amazing. He and his family have declined media interviews, and he wants everyone's focus to be on the victims, not him. This is in stark contrast to other people who do good deeds and then try to "cash in" on their 15 minutes of fame. Then again, the "hero" didn't save 19-year-old Paul Lee, so I guess some people might say he's not a hero after all. ------------------------------------------------------- Anyway, Jon Meis released this statement earlier: (I assume it's OK to post this since it's a statement meant for the public. If not, I will delete and post a link.)
Boron Boron Boron rhymes with moron, moron, moron |
| June 10th, 2014 at 2:43:17 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18255 |
The Tea Party never claimed sole ownership, it adopted it because of what it stands for. The reason I have one on the front of my car. The President is a fink. |
| June 10th, 2014 at 2:49:45 AM permalink | |
| AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18255 |
So, lets see, to you: --All the firemen who died in the WTC attack are not heroes as they did not accomplish their goal --The soldiers on D-Day who died on the beach are not heroes because they did not accomplish their goal Is this what you mean? The President is a fink. |
| June 10th, 2014 at 5:24:59 AM permalink | |
| chickenman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 0 Posts: 368 | Yes, we had this conversation recently. Later in this thread he says it's OK because not many people die from burglaries and home invasions. I'm convinced, as a lucky guy I give up my M1911A1... F****** NOT!!! He's everywhere, he's everywhere...! |
| June 10th, 2014 at 6:17:49 AM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Mar 25, 2013 Threads: 5 Posts: 732 |
Good to see that you and EB are bothered by this. I answered your questions. You attacked my position on buglary in the home. A cop is not defined as a hero simply because he gets killed while in a pizza joint. Cops are heroes when they perform heroic actions, which most cops do on a regular basis. |
| June 10th, 2014 at 6:27:02 AM permalink | |
| boymimbo Member since: Mar 25, 2013 Threads: 5 Posts: 732 |
Good argument. The firemen who died in the WTC knew that they were getting involved in a very risky situation where they likely would not live. They made the effort to save other's lives knowing that there was a good chance that they would lose their own. Their mission was valiant, so to me, hero. Fundamendalist Muslims who supported 9/11 wouldn't call them heroes. The Soliders on D-Day collectively were trying to achieve their goal and they are collectively heroes, though there are probably people within that group who killed other friendly soldiers via friendly fire or took actions that was detrimental for the group. But we refer to them collectively as heroes, as once again, they made the effort to save their country knowing that there was a good chance that they would lose their own life. The Germans probably wouldn't call them heroes. The guy in the Walmart acted alone, didn't know the situation, and made a courageous decision and lost his life and achieved absolutely nothing in the process. Some people will call him a hero because he exercised his second amendment rights to try to stop a crime. The definition of "hero" is subject to interpretation, and I hope that I've made my point clear. His action was courageous, but ill-timed and ill-thought, and now he's dead. |